After my local store ran out of my new favorite beer again, I want to
know if there is anything like it.

Please help me find a substitute for this excellent(IMO)brew.

Thanks!

"Shrubman" wrote in message
om...

After my local store ran out of my new favorite beer again, I want to
know if there is anything like it.

Please help me find a substitute for this excellent(IMO)brew.

As always, such questions are nearly impossible to answer without knowing
where you're located. Beer availability varies dramatically by geography.

That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
"dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
Moretti.

-Steve

Steve Jackson ) wrote:
: "Shrubman" wrote in message
: om...
:
: After my local store ran out of my new favorite beer again, I want to
: know if there is anything like it.
:
: Please help me find a substitute for this excellent(IMO)brew.
:
: As always, such questions are nearly impossible to answer without knowing
: where you're located. Beer availability varies dramatically by geography.
:
: That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
: "dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
: of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
: version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
: you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
: that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
: Moretti.
:

I don't think the Moretti LaRossa is intended to be a Vienna Lager but it
comes close. Try Negra Modelo as a subsitute when you can't get the
Moretti. I think you'll find them similar, though not identical.


--
Bill

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"Steve Jackson" wrote in message news:XTkgd.129967$Lo6.2302@fed1read03...
"Shrubman" wrote in message
om...

After my local store ran out of my new favorite beer again, I want to
know if there is anything like it.

Please help me find a substitute for this excellent(IMO)brew.

As always, such questions are nearly impossible to answer without knowing
where you're located. Beer availability varies dramatically by geography.

That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
"dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
Moretti.

-Steve

What strikes me about Moretti LaRossa is that, though it's a darker
beer, it doesn't seem to have a bitterness that I find in many others.
I'm not a Guiness drinker, for instance. Many beers that have appended
"dark" to a familiar brand name disappoint me.

Moretti Larossa just seems to have a great combination of hoppy
sweetness, a nice fizzyness, for lack of a more appropriate word, and
the nice kick of a higher alcohol content.

I'm in Georgia in the United States, btw.

"Steve Jackson" wrote in message news:XTkgd.129967$Lo6.2302@fed1read03...
"Shrubman" wrote in message
om...

After my local store ran out of my new favorite beer again, I want to
know if there is anything like it.

Please help me find a substitute for this excellent(IMO)brew.

As always, such questions are nearly impossible to answer without knowing
where you're located. Beer availability varies dramatically by geography.

That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
"dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
Moretti.

-Steve

What strikes me about Moretti LaRossa is that, though it's a darker
beer, it doesn't seem to have a bitterness that I find in many others.
I'm not a Guiness drinker, for instance. Many beers that have appended
"dark" to a familiar brand name disappoint me.

Moretti Larossa just seems to have a great combination of hoppy
sweetness, a nice fizzyness, for lack of a more appropriate word, and
the nice kick of a higher alcohol content.

I'm in Georgia in the United States, btw.

Steve Jackson wrote:

That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
"dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
Moretti.

Interesting...I've always thought of it more like a bock. It seems too
"thick" compared to something like the Ayinger dunkel.

--------Denny
--
Life begins at 60 - 1.060, that is.

Reply to denny_at_projectoneaudio_dot_com

"Shrubman" wrote in message
om...

What strikes me about Moretti LaRossa is that, though it's a darker
beer, it doesn't seem to have a bitterness that I find in many others.
I'm not a Guiness drinker, for instance. Many beers that have appended
"dark" to a familiar brand name disappoint me.

Two things. "Dark" does not equate to bitter. Dark beers can be either malty
or bitter. It all depends on other ingredients. The German dark beers tend
not to be bitter.

As for appedning "dark" to a widely known beer - say, for example, Beck's
Dark - you're right that they're often disappointing. It's because often
those beers are really the same beer with a bit of coloring malt added.

The beers I mentioned, however, are brewed to have a different profile than
just simply a darker-colored version of something else. And they are by no
means bitter.


Moretti Larossa just seems to have a great combination of hoppy
sweetness, a nice fizzyness, for lack of a more appropriate word, and
the nice kick of a higher alcohol content.

Well, at the risk of sounding pedantic, you've got a few of your terms mixed
up there. Hops are what provides bitterness to a beer. What you're looking
for is a malty sweetness, which La Rossa does indeed have (and the Doppio
Malto has even more so).

I'm in Georgia in the United States, btw.

Georgia recently changed its beer laws to allow some higher-alcohol beers
into the state. Keep an eye out for German bocks and doppelbock beers. They
are definitely on the malty side and higher alcohol. They might be right up
your street.

-Steve

"Shrubman" wrote in message
om...

What strikes me about Moretti LaRossa is that, though it's a darker
beer, it doesn't seem to have a bitterness that I find in many others.
I'm not a Guiness drinker, for instance. Many beers that have appended
"dark" to a familiar brand name disappoint me.

Two things. "Dark" does not equate to bitter. Dark beers can be either malty
or bitter. It all depends on other ingredients. The German dark beers tend
not to be bitter.

As for appedning "dark" to a widely known beer - say, for example, Beck's
Dark - you're right that they're often disappointing. It's because often
those beers are really the same beer with a bit of coloring malt added.

The beers I mentioned, however, are brewed to have a different profile than
just simply a darker-colored version of something else. And they are by no
means bitter.


Moretti Larossa just seems to have a great combination of hoppy
sweetness, a nice fizzyness, for lack of a more appropriate word, and
the nice kick of a higher alcohol content.

Well, at the risk of sounding pedantic, you've got a few of your terms mixed
up there. Hops are what provides bitterness to a beer. What you're looking
for is a malty sweetness, which La Rossa does indeed have (and the Doppio
Malto has even more so).

I'm in Georgia in the United States, btw.

Georgia recently changed its beer laws to allow some higher-alcohol beers
into the state. Keep an eye out for German bocks and doppelbock beers. They
are definitely on the malty side and higher alcohol. They might be right up
your street.

-Steve

Interesting facts from Heinekin Corp. web site (apparent owner of Birra
Moretti). I guess if I could obtain these numbers from all beers I could
find simlar tasting beers?

Moretti la Rossa

Very strong, double barley malt, red beer with a medium bitter taste.

Gravity: 17.3 ° P

Alcohol: 7.2% by volume

Bitterness: 24 EBU

Colour: 50 EBC

Interesting facts from Heinekin Corp. web site (apparent owner of Birra
Moretti). I guess if I could obtain these numbers from all beers I could
find simlar tasting beers?

Moretti la Rossa

Very strong, double barley malt, red beer with a medium bitter taste.

Gravity: 17.3 ° P

Alcohol: 7.2% by volume

Bitterness: 24 EBU

Colour: 50 EBC

Shrubman wrote:

Interesting facts from Heinekin Corp. web site (apparent owner of Birra
Moretti). I guess if I could obtain these numbers from all beers I could
find simlar tasting beers?

Moretti la Rossa

Very strong, double barley malt, red beer with a medium bitter taste.

Gravity: 17.3 ° P

Alcohol: 7.2% by volume

Bitterness: 24 EBU

Colour: 50 EBC

So, actually it's more like a doppelbock, then. Whatever, I do enjoy
this beer.

---------Denny
--
Life begins at 60 - 1.060, that is.

Reply to denny_at_projectoneaudio_dot_com

So, actually it's more like a doppelbock, then. Whatever, I do enjoy
this beer.

But you should never refer to it as Doppelwop.

Cheers,

Steve

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Denny Conn wrote:

Steve Jackson wrote:

That said, Moretti is more or less like a dunkel - the German word for
"dark" and usually used in reference to a darker-colored, fairly malty beer
of average strength. Most of the Bavarian and Munich breweries brew a
version, several of which are sold in the States. The most likely brands
you'll be able to find are Spaten and Paulaner, and perhaps Ayinger. Note
that something called dunkelweizen or dunkelweiss will not be at all like
Moretti.

Interesting...I've always thought of it more like a bock. It seems too
"thick" compared to something like the Ayinger dunkel.


I agree with the bock interpretation. Its been a long time, I wonder
which type of caramelized malt they use.

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I agree with the bock interpretation. Its been a long time, I wonder
which type of caramelized malt they use.

It's not just the malt : a very important factor of the typical malt
profile of bocks is the double / triple / quadruple decoction mash process.

Cheers !

Laurent


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.... et alors c'est chaque hiver la même chose, je blanchis, je blanchis ! Sauf le bout de la queue ! Y'a rien à faire... J'ai tout essayé, les décapants, l'eau de javel ! Reste plus que la cisaille, non ?
(F'murrr)

Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland

Expletive Deleted a écrit :

I agree with the bock interpretation. Its been a long time, I wonder
which type of caramelized malt they use.

It's not just the malt : a very important factor of the typical malt
profile of bocks is the double / triple / quadruple decoction mash process.

Cheers !

Laurent


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Warning : you may encounter French language beyond this point.

.... et alors c'est chaque hiver la même chose, je blanchis, je blanchis ! Sauf le bout de la queue ! Y'a rien à faire... J'ai tout essayé, les décapants, l'eau de javel ! Reste plus que la cisaille, non ?
(F'murrr)

Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland