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Instead of my usual ramblings, I was hoping to solicit your opinion.
What do you like or dislike about the World Brew Review so far? Are there any beers you have tried that you think are worthy of a review or do you want to see coverage of a particular topic? Do you just have general questions or comments? Send us an email and let us know what you are thinking. It would be nice to hear from you. Cheers! Jason Arakelian Editor and Reviewer Beers Reviewed in this Issue Dortmunder Union Export (Germany – Dortmund Lager) Wychwood Scarecrow (England – Pale Ale) Wychwood Fiddler's Elbow (England – Pale Ale) St. Peter's English Ale (England – Bitter) Cooper's Extra Strong Vintage Ale (Australia – Strong Ale) Unibroue 11 (Canada – Belgian Strong Golden Ale) Malheur 10 (Belgium – Belgian Strong Golden Ale) Malheur Brut Reserve (Belgium – Champenoise Brut) Malhuer 12 (Belgium – Belgian Strong Dark Ale) Duyck Jenlain (France – Biere de Garde) Herold Bohemian Black Lager (Czech Republic – Schwarzbier) Stepan Razin Porter (Russia – Baltic Porter) Baltika Porter (Russia – Baltic Porter) O'Hanlon's Ruby Stout (England – Dry Stout with Port) Weyerbacher Old Heathen (USA – Imperial Stout) Dortmunder Union Export This is a straw colored lager from the city of Dortmund, Germany. It has a great delicate hop aroma and a malty body with a dry, crisp finish. A very refreshing brew that would pair well with fish. Wychwood Scarecrow The hop aroma of this beer is reminiscent of lemon and iced tea. There is a good maltiness with a rounded hop finish. Fiddler's Elbow This beer is slightly hoppier than Scarcreow with both a slight citrus and mint taste. It is well balanced and very quaffable. St. Peter's English Ale A light orange colored ale with a sweet aroma. There is a slight taste of anise amidst the fruity/flowery body and it finishes with a nice hoppiness and the lingering taste of marmalade. Cooper's Extra Strong Vintage Ale I sampled the 2000 vintage, which was the third batch that Cooper's brewed. I sampled it in 2003 so it had time to age. The copper/amber colored beer was lean with a fruity aroma. It was malty, creamy and mellow. Unibroue 11 This slightly cloudy golden ale is capped with a tremendous rocky head. It has a flowery hop aroma that is slightly citrus. It is lemony and grassy and the high alcohol content is very noticeable. The carbonation is a little harsh. I think it would be best served if it aged for a few years to let it mellow out. Malheur 10 This golden ale has a huge soft head and hoppy aroma. It has a hefty alcohol content, yet it is hidden well among the complex body of malt and spicy phenols. Brut Reserve This is a wonderful beer that I wish I could find more readily. It is produced using the same method used for champagnes in France by freezing the yeast in the neck of the bottle and removing it. As far as I know it is a truly unique beer. This slightly cloudy golden ale has a big, fluffy head. The aroma is part fruity and part delicate hoppiness. It is quite complex and tasted of apricot, peach, and vanilla. It has a spicy hop finish and leaves you wanting to finish the whole bottle even though it is the size of a wine bottle and is 11% ABV. 12 This dark ruby-brown beer has a big tan head and a spicy, yeasty aroma. Its taste is fruity with a flowery hop finish. Duyck Jenlain A hoppy beer from France that is a cloudy amber in color. The soft head is good sized and gives off an aroma of oranges and prunes. The oily body finishes slightly spicy with notes of anise. Herold Bohemian Black Lager Many people think that dark beers are not for them because they are too heavy or strong. This beer is neither. It has a raisiny, buttery aroma. The taste is fruity with a slightly burnt maltiness and a crisp, clean finish. A very good comforting beer that is quite refreshing despite its appearance. Stepan Razin Porter This porter is a dark ruby color when held up to the light. It has a firm body that is spicy and tastes of raisins. It finishes with slight whiskey notes and warming alcohol. Baltika Porter The style of baltic porter was introduced to Russia during the reign of Catherine the Great, but this brewery was not established until the last days of Communism. This beer is dark, but not as thick as you might expect. The medium body is smooth and fruity with hints of raisin and fig and there are slight whiskey notes in the finish. O'Hanlon's Ruby Stout This dry stout from England is infused with a small amount of Ruby Port. You need to like strong tasting beer to enjoy this one. Its opaque black color and soft, light tan head give rise to a burnt aroma with a slight fruitiness. The smooth, full body has a huge burnt malt character that finishes with a winey tinge and slight vanilla. Weyerbacher Old Heathen This stout is as black as night with a little head. It has a sweet chocolate and coffee aroma. The huge maltiness mostly tastes of roasted coffee. It finishes slightly dry with a taste of molasses. This beer would be good with a chocolate dessert or as a nightcap on a cold night. The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly "The Good" – Mead Want to try something new? How about mead? Mead is a fermented honey drink that is supposedly the oldest fermented beverage, older than beer or wine. Essentially, it is made by mixing honey and water and then adding yeast. One great producer of mead is the Lurgashall Winery in England. They produce a variety of meads that are exported to the U.S. Their English Mead is pale yellow in color with a flowery and sweet taste. Their Special Reserve Mead is vintage dated and is aged in oak barrels. The result is a darker yellow color with an oaky aroma. There are some whiskey notes to go with the flowery, perfumy taste and the finish is slightly drier as well as the alcohol content being stronger. "The Bad" – Saxer Lemon Lager I am not against fruit flavored beer at all. In fact some of my favorite beers have fruit in them, but this may be the worst. It has a citrus aroma, but tastes like a lemon soda that is not sweet enough. I did not find that it tasted too much like a beer. I suspect it might appeal to those who enjoy other malternative beverages. "The Ugly" – Route 59 Beverage It is not too difficult to take care of beer, right? I did not think so until I purchased nine different beers from a distributor in West Nyack, New York. All of the beers tasted worse than stale. I have no idea how they stored them, but please, if you are in this area do not go to Route 59 Beverage. Maybe it has no affect on the beers that have a fast turnover, but I bought nine beers that I thought I would never find in the US and I wish I still had not. They all had the same off taste that I can't adequately describe. They were not all from the same brewer, so I could not even blame them. Some were domestic, some were foreign, but all were bad. Buyer beware. World Brew Review Staff Jason Arakelian: Editor/Reviewer Emily Grant: Graphic Design/Editorial Consultant ------------------------------------------------------------ Want to add your e-mail to our distribution list? Send us an e-mail with SUBSCRIBE in the subject: Feel free to forward this to your friends |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Jason Arakelian wrote: Instead of my usual ramblings, I was hoping to solicit your opinion. What do you like or dislike about the World Brew Review so far? Are there any beers you have tried that you think are worthy of a review or do you want to see coverage of a particular topic? Do you just have general questions or comments? Send us an email and let us know what you are thinking. It would be nice to hear from you. I would say your short apparently "one-man" reviews contain only about 1/100th of the amount of "consumer information" of sites like ratebeer.com |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Jason Arakelian wrote: I would say your short apparently "one-man" reviews contain only about 1/100th of the amount of "consumer information" of sites like ratebeer.com I am just one man. I never made any other implication that I wasn't. I don't see what good you are doing out there for beer awareness. |
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"Jason Arakelian" wrote in message
om... Expletive Deleted wrote in message penn.edu... I would say your short apparently "one-man" reviews contain only about 1/100th of the amount of "consumer information" of sites like ratebeer.com I am just one man. I never made any other implication that I wasn't. I don't see what good you are doing out there for beer awareness. Ah, so you DON'T read the newsgroup regularly. You just send your stuff here. See, we like people who are INVOLVED in the newsgroup. Maybe if you read it more often, you'd know that ED has been making some good contributions. -- Lew Bryson www.LewBryson.com Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both available at www.amazon.com The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it, or respond to it. Spam away. |
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"Lew Bryson" wrote in message om...
"Jason Arakelian" wrote in message om... Expletive Deleted wrote in message penn.edu... I would say your short apparently "one-man" reviews contain only about 1/100th of the amount of "consumer information" of sites like ratebeer.com I am just one man. I never made any other implication that I wasn't. I don't see what good you are doing out there for beer awareness. Ah, so you DON'T read the newsgroup regularly. You just send your stuff here. See, we like people who are INVOLVED in the newsgroup. Maybe if you read it more often, you'd know that ED has been making some good contributions. I do read the newsgroup regularly. I just don't feel the need to post regularly. And like I said before......... |
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"Jason Arakelian" wrote in message
om... "Lew Bryson" wrote in message om... "Jason Arakelian" wrote in message Expletive Deleted wrote in message I would say your short apparently "one-man" reviews contain only about 1/100th of the amount of "consumer information" of sites like ratebeer.com I am just one man. I never made any other implication that I wasn't. I don't see what good you are doing out there for beer awareness. Ah, so you DON'T read the newsgroup regularly. You just send your stuff here. See, we like people who are INVOLVED in the newsgroup. Maybe if you read it more often, you'd know that ED has been making some good contributions. I do read the newsgroup regularly. I just don't feel the need to post regularly. And like I said before......... What, you don't see what good I'm doing out there for beer awareness? Son, I've been toiling in this vineyard for longer than most craft brewers. And I seriously doubt that you read the newsgroup regularly. I think you're a bullshitter. Put up or shut up. -- Lew Bryson www.LewBryson.com Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both available at www.amazon.com The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it, or respond to it. Spam away. |
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Lew Bryson wrote:
"Jason Arakelian" wrote in message om... [...] I do read the newsgroup regularly. I just don't feel the need to post regularly. And like I said before......... What, you don't see what good I'm doing out there for beer awareness? Son, I've been toiling in this vineyard for longer than most craft brewers. And I seriously doubt that you read the newsgroup regularly. I think you're a bullshitter. Put up or shut up. More to the point, Mr. Arakelian specifically posted this: I was hoping to solicit your opinion. What do you like or dislike about the World Brew Review so far? Are there any beers you have tried that you think are worthy of a review or do you want to see coverage of a particular topic? Do you just have general questions or comments? Send us an email and let us know what you are thinking. It would be nice to hear from you. So ED posted an opinion, and a pretty straightforward one. He didn't post aspersions to Mr. Arakelian's character, just an opinion that, compared to a popular web forum, Mr. Arakelian's "World Brew Review" posts didn't have much in the way of content, save for brief personal opinions of some beers, with little background information. Mr. Arakelian's response, rather than taking into account that he got precisely what he asked for (an opinion), suggests that he doesn't react well to criticism. Try as I might, though, I see little evidence of Mr. Arakelian's regular participation in various forums dedicated to the discussion of beer, nor can I recall seeing the byline "Jason Arakelian" in any of numerous beer publications that I have the occasion to read. This is especially amusing in light of the numerous publications, not to mention two books I own, that carry the "Lew Bryson" byline. In short, if Mr. Arakelian solicits opinions on his posts, and then receives exactly that, and gets upset about it, perhaps Mr. Arakelian needs another tree up which to bark, or perhaps Mr. Arakelian should consider getting more involved in something resembling a discussion, which is what is encouraged on Usenet, rather than a series of lectures which, to be honest, seem to be widely ignored, with little feedback. -- dgs |
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So ED posted an opinion, and a pretty straightforward one. He didn't
post aspersions to Mr. Arakelian's character, just an opinion that, compared to a popular web forum, Mr. Arakelian's "World Brew Review" posts didn't have much in the way of content, save for brief personal opinions of some beers, with little background information. Mr. Arakelian's response, rather than taking into account that he got precisely what he asked for (an opinion), suggests that he doesn't react well to criticism. Try as I might, though, I see little evidence of Mr. Arakelian's regular participation in various forums dedicated to the discussion of beer, nor can I recall seeing the byline "Jason Arakelian" in any of numerous beer publications that I have the occasion to read. This is especially amusing in light of the numerous publications, not to mention two books I own, that carry the "Lew Bryson" byline. In short, if Mr. Arakelian solicits opinions on his posts, and then receives exactly that, and gets upset about it, perhaps Mr. Arakelian needs another tree up which to bark, or perhaps Mr. Arakelian should consider getting more involved in something resembling a discussion, which is what is encouraged on Usenet, rather than a series of lectures which, to be honest, seem to be widely ignored, with little feedback. You're right about one thing. I did ask for an opinion and I got it. I guess I was hoping for constructive criticism instead of someone stating the obvious that I write the reviews by myself and I am clearly not like Ratebeer.com. I don't want to be like that website. Not because I think there is anything wrong with it, but because they already do it. I can't use Ed's criticism to help my writing. I never said that I participated regularly in your forums, only that I do read them on a regular basis. There is no need for me to lie on this. I guess that makes me a bad beer enthusiast because I never share my thoughts. I get nothing from the World Brew Review, nor is it my wish to gain from it. I make a good enough living from my job that I do not need to plug anything through all of my posts. Not that it matters, but one of my comments was misconstrued by Mr. Bryson. I was only reiterating that I I haven't seen what good Ed had done for beer awareness. I know all about Lew with his books and articles in various papers such as Ale Street News. He is very knowledgeable. Egotistictal, but he does know what he is talking about most of the time. I am sorry that I am not like the great Lew Bryson with his millions of adoring, international fans and many pulitzers. |
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"Jason Arakelian" wrote in message
m... You're right about one thing. I did ask for an opinion and I got it. I guess I was hoping for constructive criticism instead of someone stating the obvious that I write the reviews by myself and I am clearly not like Ratebeer.com. I don't want to be like that website. Not because I think there is anything wrong with it, but because they already do it. I can't use Ed's criticism to help my writing. It's not Ed, BTW. It's ED. If you read this as often as you say you do, you'd know that, and you'd know that he's posted more worthwhile stuff on this NG in the past month than you have in the past year. Sorry, but it's true. You want constructive criticism? Forget the tasting notes; put out some news. Guys on this NG generally know what beers taste like, and if we don't, we go buy one and decide for ourselves. To be honest, Jason, what you're lacking most is credibility. Not your fault, but you're not going about it the right way. You're not even going about it the right place; there's not a lot of traffic here at all anymore. Just a bunch of curmudgeons and some excellent new folks. I never said that I participated regularly in your forums, only that I do read them on a regular basis. There is no need for me to lie on this. I guess that makes me a bad beer enthusiast because I never share my thoughts. I get nothing from the World Brew Review, nor is it my wish to gain from it. I make a good enough living from my job that I do not need to plug anything through all of my posts. Not that it matters, but one of my comments was misconstrued by Mr. Bryson. I was only reiterating that I I haven't seen what good Ed had done for beer awareness. I know all about Lew with his books and articles in various papers such as Ale Street News. He is very knowledgeable. Egotistictal, but he does know what he is talking about most of the time. I am sorry that I am not like the great Lew Bryson with his millions of adoring, international fans and many pulitzers. Oh, blow it out your ass. You run your one-man, 20-hit website and flaunt your reviews here and get ****y-assed mad when someone criticizes you, and I'M egotistical? I'm just trying to make a living. Like the brewers who wear their brand on their clothing, I wear my brand, and it's me. I'm all I've got to sell. "World Brew Review," forsooth. -- Lew Bryson www.LewBryson.com Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both available at www.amazon.com The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it, or respond to it. Spam away. |
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Jason Arakelian wrote:
I know all about Lew with his books and articles in various papers such as Ale Street News. He is very knowledgeable. Egotistictal, but he does know what he is talking about most of the time. It's not egotistical if it's not exaggerated. I am sorry that I am not like the great Lew Bryson with his millions of adoring, international fans and many pulitzers. I'm not. Sorry, that is. One Lew is enough to go around. IMO, onthis topic in general, we already have enough people whose only contribution to the forum is to flog their lame web sites. -- Joel Plutchak "Senza la birra tutto diventa orfano." plutchak@[...] - Italian proverb (slightly revised) |
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"Joel Plutchak" wrote in message
... Jason Arakelian wrote: I am sorry that I am not like the great Lew Bryson with his millions of adoring, international fans and many pulitzers. I'm not. Sorry, that is. One Lew is enough to go around. ****in' A. Competition with the editors is one thing I don't need. IMO, onthis topic in general, we already have enough people whose only contribution to the forum is to flog their lame web sites. Ouch. No comment. -- Lew Bryson www.LewBryson.com Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both available at www.amazon.com The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it, or respond to it. Spam away. |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Lew Bryson wrote: "Jason Arakelian" wrote in message m... You're right about one thing. I did ask for an opinion and I got it. I guess I was hoping for constructive criticism instead of someone stating the obvious that I write the reviews by myself and I am clearly not like Ratebeer.com. I don't want to be like that website. Not because I think there is anything wrong with it, but because they already do it. I can't use Ed's criticism to help my writing. It's not Ed, BTW. It's ED. If you read this as often as you say you do, you'd know that, and you'd know that he's posted more worthwhile stuff on this NG in the past month than you have in the past year. Sorry, but it's true. You want constructive criticism? Forget the tasting notes; put out some news. Guys on this NG generally know what beers taste like, and if we don't, we go buy one and decide for ourselves. To be honest, Jason, what you're lacking most is credibility. Not your fault, but you're not going about it the right way. You're not even going about it the right place; there's not a lot of traffic here at all anymore. Just a bunch of curmudgeons and some excellent new folks. Leave it Lew to finally hit the nail squarely. Credibility. Despite Joel's valid critique of it, ratebeer and similar sites have credibility because they're a fairly representative sampling with alot of data (given, representative only of the world of "beer geeks"). Guys like Lew and other professional writers who comment on what beer tastes like (MJ, etc) have credibility because of their experience and they've succeeded in the world of professional beer writing for a reason. Posting brief comments of a dozen or so beers on a usenet group dedicated to beer, read only by beer geeks, doesn't mean anything and doesn't spread the gospel of good beer. |
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Despite Joel's valid critique of it, ratebeer and similar sites have credibility because they're a fairly representative sampling with alot of data (given, representative only of the world of "beer geeks"). Just to clarify, My peeve isn't so much with the sites themselves, or even the usefulness of most of the content. It's really specifically with the kind of "these are the top 10 beers in the world" conclusions that people draw from them. -- Joel Plutchak "Senza la birra tutto diventa orfano." plutchak@[...] - Italian proverb (slightly revised) |
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"Lew Bryson" wrote in message m... What, you don't see what good I'm doing out there for beer awareness? Son, I've been toiling in this vineyard for longer than most craft brewers. Umm, kind of a mixed metaphor there, wouldn't ya say? ;-) Brian |
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Brian Lundeen wrote:
"Lew Bryson" wrote: What, you don't see what good I'm doing out there for beer awareness? Son, I've been toiling in this vineyard for longer than most craft brewers. Umm, kind of a mixed metaphor there, wouldn't ya say? ;-) Not if he's toiling away toward brewing something like Cantillon's Vignerone Lambic. ;-) -- Joel Plutchak "Senza la birra tutto diventa orfano." plutchak@[...] - Italian proverb (slightly revised) |
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