Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

Cheers,
Duke

Dukester wrote:
Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

They're different beers. The "regular" Guinness stout is a
lighter beer more suited to drinking on draught, and the widget
stuff lets them sell that session-type beer in a more mixed-
gas draught-like form. The Extra Stout is a stronger beer more
suited to bottles, or at least standard CO2 dispense and
presentation.
Incidentally, Guinness has been experimenting with the tight
creamy headed draught presentation in bottles/can in various
forms since at least around 1985-- I have a bottle and a black
syringe doohickey a friend brought me back from Ireland around
that time. The syringe method for getting a tight creamy head
works even on other beers, FWIW.
--
Joel Plutchak "We had all slipped into a silence of exquisite
plutchak@[...] fatigue with no wit to woo us. It was a special
silence. No lambs, just owls." - Neil Innes

On 15 Dec 2003 17:36:11 -0800, (Dukester) wrote:

Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

It's really just marketing. Guinness have decided that, worldwide,
what the average drinker expects from Guinness is a tight creamy head
(even though this only arrived in 1967 when keg draught Guinness
replaced the cask conditioned version in Ireland).

Guinness Extra Stout (or, in some markets, Guinness Export Stout) is a
specialist beer that even the cynical Guinness marketing people
wouldn't expect to be served with a big nitro head.

Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
whatever your local microbrewery is.

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk

(Paul Sherwin) wrote in message ...

Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
whatever your local microbrewery is.

Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.

Cheers!

Dukester ) wrote:
: (Paul Sherwin) wrote in message ...
:
: Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
: whatever your local microbrewery is.
:
: Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
: microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
: had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
: what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
: thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.
:
: Cheers!

http://www.liquidsolutions.biz !!!

If the best you've got locally is Guiness Extra you owe yourself a visit
to this web site.

OBDisclaimer: I'm just a satisfied customer.

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

"Dukester" wrote in message
m...

Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout.

Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
another story.

-Steve

"Steve Jackson" wrote in message news:XacEb.10276$i55.3729@fed1read06...
Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
another story.

Tastes fine to me. But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
their attempt at a Bock? And no, I can't get beer by mail.

"Dukester" wrote in message
m...

"Steve Jackson" wrote in message
news:XacEb.10276$i55.3729@fed1read06...

Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Tastes fine to me.

It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
their attempt at a Bock?

Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
there, if dark beer is your thing.

And no, I can't get beer by mail.

Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

-Steve

It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

I had been very disappointed with the thin Labbatt-brewed version, but
every once in a while I give some a try in the hope of a change for the
better. Yesterday I had one that was noticeably better:
bigger/cleaner roast barley and malt flavors and not terribly sour,
somewhat like the Irish version just before the switch to Labbatt (IIRC,
others on this ng had noted a change in the flavor of the Irish version
around that time). Taste buds failing me? Wishful thinking? A true
change for the better? Will have to do further research.

"Steve Jackson" wrote in message news:QwtEb.10429$i55.2163@fed1read06...
Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
there, if dark beer is your thing.

Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Dukester wrote:
"Steve Jackson" wrote:
Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Or learn to brew your own.
--
Joel Plutchak "We had all slipped into a silence of exquisite
plutchak@[...] fatigue with no wit to woo us. It was a special
silence. No lambs, just owls." - Neil Innes

"Dukester" wrote in message
om...

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see what
other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
for a few months at a time.

-Steve

if it is a stout you wish I would suggest (and I am a guinness lover) a
stout called black witch from wytchwood brewewries in england. they have
other dark beers like hobgoblin and for those who prefer a more citrus taste
try fiddlers elbow...but for taste i am sold on black witch!!!!!!!
Richard
"Steve Jackson" wrote in message
news:UuHEb.10741$i55.702@fed1read06...
"Dukester" wrote in message
om...

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see
what
other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
for a few months at a time.

-Steve

Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

After Malvern Hill Pres. Lincoln visited with Gens. Mc Clellen & Sumner
as well as Col. Nugent (Commander of the Irish Brigade.)` A Lt. James.
M. Birmingham, Adjutant of the 88th N. Y. came from a swim in the James
R. & with his underwear drying on his body saw them talking. He ducked
behind some cover to eavesdrop in time to see & hear Pres. Lincoln
(overcome with emotion at the bravery & sacrifice of the Irish Brigade.)
as he lifted a corner of the 69th N. Y.'s flag, kissed it & said "God
bless this Irish flag" From Joseph Bilby's book
"Remember Fontenoy" on the Irish Brigade
Lancaster Civil War Round Table Website
http://community.webtv.net/GrayGhost...eCivilWarRound Carl
Speros webmaster.

"Joel Plutchak" wrote in message
...
Dukester wrote:
"Steve Jackson" wrote:
Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There
might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Or learn to brew your own.

Hey, man, take that crap to rec.crafts.brewing, okay? Wow, if only this NG
was, like, moderated.

--
Lew Bryson

"GOOD or SHITE?" -- Michael Jackson, "Thriller", 1982
www.lewbryson.com