"Soulman" wrote in message
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"C'Pi" wrote in message
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I don't drink alcohol.


I drink moderately like a gentleman.

And beer tastes like shit.


That's true. I've never managed to get down one single bottle of beer,
because honestly I think it tastes like ****, not that I've drank **** to
compare, but I assume.

I like to mix rum with coke or do a malibu shot with juice or coke. And
then
of course mild cider... But no beer, nnnot nevah!

Guinness Stout. I love it. I used to hate beer, I had the exact same
feelings you do. But one fateful day I was drinking some Jamison Irish
Whiskey and I chased it down with some Guinness. I met a match made in
heaven. For years after I still hated beer, I still don't love beer, but
Guinness is in a class of its own.

-Muuurgh
I wish there was a Guinness NG. I feel like sharing this love with lots of
people
*adds alt.beer & rec.food.drink.beer to NG list*

Muuurgh wrote:
"Soulman" wrote in message
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"C'Pi" wrote in message
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I don't drink alcohol.


I drink moderately like a gentleman.


And beer tastes like shit.


That's true. I've never managed to get down one single bottle of beer,
because honestly I think it tastes like ****, not that I've drank **** to
compare, but I assume.

I like to mix rum with coke or do a malibu shot with juice or coke. And

then

of course mild cider... But no beer, nnnot nevah!


Guinness Stout. I love it.

snip

Guinness is in a class of its own.


Well yes of course, silly. Try it some time in an actual pub in an
actual British isle with an actual head on it that resembles whipped
cream more than anything else. Or maybe just head to Chicago for Kitty
O'Shea's in the Hilton Towers where the bartender drizzles foam onto the
head in the shape of a shamrock:

http://www.realbeer.com/library/auth...cago_beers.php

If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness. Or you pass out, one or the
other.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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Muuurgh wrote:
"Soulman" wrote in message
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"C'Pi" wrote in message
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I don't drink alcohol.


I drink moderately like a gentleman.


And beer tastes like shit.


That's true. I've never managed to get down one single bottle of beer,
because honestly I think it tastes like ****, not that I've drank ****
to
compare, but I assume.

I like to mix rum with coke or do a malibu shot with juice or coke. And

then

of course mild cider... But no beer, nnnot nevah!


Guinness Stout. I love it.

snip

Guinness is in a class of its own.


Well yes of course, silly. Try it some time in an actual pub in an
actual British isle with an actual head on it that resembles whipped
cream more than anything else. Or maybe just head to Chicago for Kitty
O'Shea's in the Hilton Towers where the bartender drizzles foam onto the
head in the shape of a shamrock:

http://www.realbeer.com/library/auth...cago_beers.php

If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness. Or you pass out, one or the
other.

A man after me own 'art.
What's a good whiskey? Mind you, I can barely afford Jamison.

-Muuurgh


--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness.

Quite the opposite. Drink enough beer and you'll find that there's a lot out
there that's a hell of a lot better than Guinness. Including many stouts
that are much, much better.

-Steve

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"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness.

Quite the opposite. Drink enough beer and you'll find that there's a lot
out
there that's a hell of a lot better than Guinness. Including many stouts
that are much, much better.

I'd love to try some. I like Beamish, are some of the Stouts you are
thinking of Irish?

-Muuurgh



-Steve

"Muuurgh" wrote in message
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"Steve Jackson" wrote in message
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"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness.

Quite the opposite. Drink enough beer and you'll find that there's a lot
out
there that's a hell of a lot better than Guinness. Including many stouts
that are much, much better.

I'd love to try some. I like Beamish, are some of the Stouts you are
thinking of Irish?

-Muuurgh

Where are you located?

Btw, Beamish, Murphy's, Guinness are all good stouts but, for me at least,
they're all
a bit *too* smooth...not enough flavour. Now, Young's Double Chocolate
Stout(in the bottle not nitro cans)...that's
a big winner in my book. A UK porter that's really good is the London Porter
from Fullers.

Best regards,
Bill

Muuurgh wrote:
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Muuurgh wrote:

"Soulman" wrote in message
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"C'Pi" wrote in message
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I don't drink alcohol.


I drink moderately like a gentleman.



And beer tastes like shit.


That's true. I've never managed to get down one single bottle of beer,
because honestly I think it tastes like ****, not that I've drank ****

to

compare, but I assume.

I like to mix rum with coke or do a malibu shot with juice or coke. And

then


of course mild cider... But no beer, nnnot nevah!


Guinness Stout. I love it.

snip


Guinness is in a class of its own.


Well yes of course, silly. Try it some time in an actual pub in an
actual British isle with an actual head on it that resembles whipped
cream more than anything else. Or maybe just head to Chicago for Kitty
O'Shea's in the Hilton Towers where the bartender drizzles foam onto the
head in the shape of a shamrock:

http://www.realbeer.com/library/auth...cago_beers.php

If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness. Or you pass out, one or the
other.


A man after me own 'art.
What's a good whiskey? Mind you, I can barely afford Jamison.


Start saving your pennies. Once upon a time I'd have recommended Jack
Daniels Black Label. But about three years ago I told Policrat I'd
never found a Scotch I really liked and he recommended Laphroaig. I've
never looked back. Great stuff. I had a glass of the 30-year-old once.
Cost about $30. Yeah, $30 for a generous shot. But oh, golly, it was
wonderful. Och aye the noo!

The 10-year-old and the 15-year-old are a bit more affordable. A bit.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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Muuurgh wrote:
Start saving your pennies. Once upon a time I'd have recommended Jack
Daniels Black Label. But about three years ago I told Policrat I'd
never found a Scotch I really liked and he recommended Laphroaig. I've
never looked back. Great stuff. I had a glass of the 30-year-old once.
Cost about $30. Yeah, $30 for a generous shot. But oh, golly, it was
wonderful. Och aye the noo!

The 10-year-old and the 15-year-old are a bit more affordable. A bit.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog


I thought the Laphroaig was a bit too ashy for my liking(10 y.o.) but the
Talisker hits the spot for me.

Best regards,
Bill

If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness.

Quite the opposite. Drink enough beer and you'll find that there's a lot out
there that's a hell of a lot better than Guinness. Including many stouts
that are much, much better.

Plewaas provide a list of "many" stouts that are "much, much better"
than Guiness.

Doubting Thomas

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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Plewaas provide a list of "many" stouts that are "much, much better"
than Guiness.

Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

These are all sold bottled, and have been pretty readily available in places
I've lived in the States. I haven't even gotten into the numerous brewpub
stouts that are also much better.

My smart-ass response to which stouts are better than Guinness would be
"pretty much all of them." I find Guinness to be incredibly overrated. It's
thin, one-dimensional and not all that interesting. The old Guinness Extra
Stout was a great beer, but that's since been horribly *******ized since
Diageo moved it to being contract brewed at Labbat.

-Steve

"Muuurgh" wrote in message
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I'd love to try some. I like Beamish, are some of the Stouts you are
thinking of Irish?

Nope. Mostly all American (one Canadian one comes to mind). See my response
to Vincent Norris elsewhere in the thread for a list off the top of my head.

Guinness isn't a bad beer. It's not a terribly interesting one, though, as
far as I'm concerned. There are many stouts out there that are far more
flavorful and complex. And move outside of stouts, and there are tons of
beers I'd drink way before reaching for a Guinness.

-Steve

"Bill Becker" wrote in message
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"Muuurgh" wrote in message
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"Steve Jackson" wrote in message
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"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
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If you drink enough beer, eventually you reach the point where you
realize nothing is as good as a Guinness.

Quite the opposite. Drink enough beer and you'll find that there's a
lot
out
there that's a hell of a lot better than Guinness. Including many
stouts
that are much, much better.

I'd love to try some. I like Beamish, are some of the Stouts you are
thinking of Irish?

-Muuurgh

Where are you located?

Tulsa, Oklahoma, not much of a selection here. A bunch of phony Irish
pubs -- not that I've been to a real one -- and one really cool little
English pub with a red smoking room called the "Churchill Room" with Beamish
on tap.

I'll look for YBCS, but it doesn't sound too appealing -- the name
(chocolate) that is. Like I said, I'll give it a gander.
What do you think about Boddington's? I think both Beamish and Bod are too
sweet, but what the hell? I was born without a sense of smell, what do i
know about taste?

-Muuurgh


Btw, Beamish, Murphy's, Guinness are all good stouts but, for me at least,
they're all
a bit *too* smooth...not enough flavour. Now, Young's Double Chocolate
Stout(in the bottle not nitro cans)...that's
a big winner in my book. A UK porter that's really good is the London
Porter
from Fullers.

Best regards,
Bill

In article RRgtb.1518$6G3.532@fed1read06, "Steve Jackson" writes:
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Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

These are all sold bottled, and have been pretty readily available in places
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have an N2/CO2 setup at home with Guinness on tap. I don't like it in
the cans or bottles. It's far better on draught and I am very meticulous
about keeping everything clean, proper temp and pressure regulated. I'd
love to pump the others if they were readily available by the keg. I've
been to Ireland (and Dublin where Guinness is brewed) and the UK where I
have had Guinness and, save for perhaps that pint in the Gravity Bar atop
the Guinness Storehouse, I don't find that the pubs in either .IE or the
..UK pump it any better than I do at home (in many cases, it's even better
at home).

I travel regularly for business. It is tough to find bars and pubs that
are easily accessible in many of the places I've visited that can or offer
anything near to your list. Sometimes I do get lucky and I can find some-
one at the destination that understands what I mean when I say I want some
"good" beer and can lead me to a quality watering hole. Here in the USA,
the typical offering is "the-really-big-overly-advertised-brewing-giant"
Lite beers. The bar in the hotel where I was staying all last week didn't
even have a pint glass for me to pour the canned Guinness into. I did get
to a watering hole that had Guinness on draught but because of a live band
in the place that evening I was told that a regulation prohibitted them to
serve it in glass when I was given a plastic 16 oz solo brand cup. Beer in
plastic cups seems to me like service at a collegiate dorm drink-until-you-
puke party.

I have had some of the oatmeal stouts you've mentioned and I do like them.
Samual Smith's Oatmeal Stout seems to be the more readily available oatmeal
stouts when I'm travelling (if the bar/pub has any oatmeal stouts at all).
Does Young's actually use Chocolate? I don't like chocolate in general, so
I'd be hesitant to make that a sampled choice if I come across it.

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM

"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

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Does Young's actually use Chocolate? I don't like chocolate in general,
so
I'd be hesitant to make that a sampled choice if I come across it.

Yep, they do use some actual chocolate. I find it to be a nice touch. It's
not an overly sweet beer by any means. I usually can't do sweet beers, but
this is a nice one. Not something I'd drink every day, but a nice change of
pace from time to time.

-Steve

Tulsa, Oklahoma, not much of a selection here. A bunch of phony Irish
pubs -- not that I've been to a real one -- and one really cool little
English pub with a red smoking room called the "Churchill Room" with Beamish
on tap.


If you go to 51st and Lewis to Fike's liquor store you will find some
pretty good stouts. The problem though is that they are not allowed to
store them refrigerated for some reason so you will most likely get
less-than-fresh dusty bottles.

At Fike's you'll find:
Sam Adams Cream Stout
Young's Double Chocolate (no chocolate, it refers to the type of malt
used)
Young's Oatmeal Stout
Sierra Nevada Stout & Porter

....And Porters...
Lefthand brewing Porter
Fuller's London Porter

And I think I saw some Porter there from a Montana micro, not sure
what it's called though. Thankfully, I haven't lived in Tulsa for more
than 10 years now and only go back occasionally to visit my family.

Once you tire of stouts and the weather begins to warm be sure and
branch out into hefeweizens, witbier, hoppy pale ales, etc.

_Randal