"Randal Chapman" wrote in message
om...
Tulsa, Oklahoma, not much of a selection here. A bunch of phony Irish
pubs -- not that I've been to a real one -- and one really cool little
English pub with a red smoking room called the "Churchill Room" with
Beamish
on tap.


If you go to 51st and Lewis to Fike's liquor store you will find some
pretty good stouts. The problem though is that they are not allowed to
store them refrigerated for some reason so you will most likely get
less-than-fresh dusty bottles.

At Fike's you'll find:
Sam Adams Cream Stout
Young's Double Chocolate (no chocolate, it refers to the type of malt
used)
Young's Oatmeal Stout
Sierra Nevada Stout & Porter

...And Porters...
Lefthand brewing Porter
Fuller's London Porter

And I think I saw some Porter there from a Montana micro, not sure
what it's called though. Thankfully, I haven't lived in Tulsa for more
than 10 years now and only go back occasionally to visit my family.

Once you tire of stouts and the weather begins to warm be sure and
branch out into hefeweizens, witbier, hoppy pale ales, etc.

Hey, thanks for the info. Now I have a 'shopping/to do' list. I hope to be
away from Tulsa here before long, I've been going to school here for 7
years, I'm about to graduate.
It would be a shame to graduate without a decent knowledge of beer.

-Muuurgh


_Randal

"Randal Chapman" wrote in message
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Young's Double Chocolate (no chocolate, it refers to the type of malt
used)

Actually, Young's do use chocolate in the double chocolate stout:

"Pale ale malt, crystal malt, roasted barley, chocolate malt, special blend
of sugars, Fuggles and Goldings hops, real dark chocolate and chocolate
essence. Melted chocolate bars are added to the boil and the essence is
added after filtration. "

http://www.youngs.co.uk/htmldocs/pro...?SelectedID=12

-Steve

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"Randal Chapman" wrote in message
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Young's Double Chocolate (no chocolate, it refers to the type of malt
used)

Actually, Young's do use chocolate in the double chocolate stout:

"Pale ale malt, crystal malt, roasted barley, chocolate malt, special
blend
of sugars, Fuggles and Goldings hops, real dark chocolate and chocolate
essence. Melted chocolate bars are added to the boil and the essence is
added after filtration. "

http://www.youngs.co.uk/htmldocs/pro...?SelectedID=12

-Steve



Att: Muuurgh,
Don't be afraid of the Young's DCS just because it does use
chocolate....it's
a wonderful drop!!

Best regards,
Bill

"Muuurgh" wrote in message
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, not much of a selection here. A bunch of phony Irish
pubs -- not that I've been to a real one -- and one really cool little
English pub with a red smoking room called the "Churchill Room" with
Beamish
on tap.

I'll look for YBCS, but it doesn't sound too appealing -- the name
(chocolate) that is. Like I said, I'll give it a gander.
What do you think about Boddington's? I think both Beamish and Bod are
too
sweet, but what the hell? I was born without a sense of smell, what do i
know about taste?

I kinda like the Boddington's...for a nitro can, it ain't half bad but the
best one in that ilk that I've tried
is the Tetley's English Ale.

-Muuurgh


Best regards,
Bill

A *really* good dry stout to try....Snake River's Zonker Stout.

Best regards,
Bill

"Muuurgh" wrote in message
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"Randal Chapman" wrote in message
om...
Tulsa, Oklahoma, not much of a selection here. A bunch of phony Irish
pubs -- not that I've been to a real one -- and one really cool little
English pub with a red smoking room called the "Churchill Room" with
Beamish
on tap.


If you go to 51st and Lewis to Fike's liquor store you will find some
pretty good stouts. The problem though is that they are not allowed to
store them refrigerated for some reason so you will most likely get
less-than-fresh dusty bottles.

At Fike's you'll find:
Sam Adams Cream Stout
Young's Double Chocolate (no chocolate, it refers to the type of malt
used)
Young's Oatmeal Stout
Sierra Nevada Stout & Porter

...And Porters...
Lefthand brewing Porter
Fuller's London Porter

And I think I saw some Porter there from a Montana micro, not sure
what it's called though. Thankfully, I haven't lived in Tulsa for more
than 10 years now and only go back occasionally to visit my family.

Once you tire of stouts and the weather begins to warm be sure and
branch out into hefeweizens, witbier, hoppy pale ales, etc.

Hey, thanks for the info. Now I have a 'shopping/to do' list. I hope to
be
away from Tulsa here before long, I've been going to school here for 7
years, I'm about to graduate.
It would be a shame to graduate without a decent knowledge of beer.

-Muuurgh


_Randal

Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

Thanks. The only one of those I've found is the Sierra Nwevada, which
I'll agree is a marvelous stout. I'll be on the lookout for any others
that might be available here.

One you didn't mention that I thought excellent is Black Hawk, but the
local shop handled it only briefly, and then said it was not longer
available. Probably not the whole truth.

My smart-ass response to which stouts are better than Guinness would be
"pretty much all of them." I find Guinness to be incredibly overrated. It's
thin, one-dimensional and not all that interesting.

After absorbing a lot of Guinness during three weeks in Ireland, I
can't agree with that.

I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.

vince norris

Does Young's actually use Chocolate? I don't like chocolate in general,
so
I'd be hesitant to make that a sampled choice if I come across it.

Yep, they do use some actual chocolate. I find it to be a nice touch.

Chocolate seems to have an ability to add flavor to surprising foods.
Many people put some unsweetened or semi-sweet chocolate into chili.

It can't be tasted, but spiffs up the flavor.

(Please don't ask me to define "spiff.")

vince norris

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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After absorbing a lot of Guinness during three weeks in Ireland, I
can't agree with that.

I had some draught Guinness at my fav bar, here in Casper Wy and it's well,
weak. I've got to say, ever since I first had the opportunity to
taste Draught Guinness, whether on tap, in bottles, or in cans, it just
doesn't have the zest to keep my attention. I'm not saying it's a bad
product...nope, I'm not saying that, it's just that...finding this one
available in all its forms doesn't even come close to taking the place of
the Guinness Extra Stout that we *used* to get from Ireland. Now THAT was
some good s*it!


I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.

The Guinness Extra Stout we are getting now is contract brewed out of Canada
now(by Labbatt's)....mores the pity. :^(

vince norris

Best regards,
Bill

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.

Nope. A-B don't touch Guinness. Draught and canned (and the new pub draught
bottle or whatever they call it) all come from St James Gate in Dublin. The
bottled Guinness Foreign Extra, which used to be a fan****ingtabulous beer,
is now brewed under contract by Labbatt. And it sucks. Hard.

-Steve

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"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
.. .

I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.

Nope. A-B don't touch Guinness. Draught and canned (and the new pub draught
bottle or whatever they call it) all come from St James Gate in Dublin. The
bottled Guinness Foreign Extra, which used to be a fan****ingtabulous beer,
is now brewed under contract by Labbatt. And it sucks. Hard.

Exactly what the folks at St. James Gate Storehouse said when I asked.

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, vincent p. norris wrote:

Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

Thanks. The only one of those I've found is the Sierra Nwevada, which
I'll agree is a marvelous stout. I'll be on the lookout for any others
that might be available here.

One you didn't mention that I thought excellent is Black Hawk, but the
local shop handled it only briefly, and then said it was not longer
available. Probably not the whole truth.

My smart-ass response to which stouts are better than Guinness would be
"pretty much all of them." I find Guinness to be incredibly overrated. It's
thin, one-dimensional and not all that interesting.

After absorbing a lot of Guinness during three weeks in Ireland, I
can't agree with that.

I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.


no that is not true.

(Guinness Extra Stout in bottles is brewed by Labatt's, but the draught
and the can-draught and bottle-draught is from ireland)

My Favorite beer is Sam Adams followed closely by Yueng Ling (spelling my
not be right). Yueng Ling is the oldest American Brewery, it was established
in 1829, and the Lager is outstanding.
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, vincent p. norris wrote:

Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

Thanks. The only one of those I've found is the Sierra Nwevada, which
I'll agree is a marvelous stout. I'll be on the lookout for any others
that might be available here.

One you didn't mention that I thought excellent is Black Hawk, but the
local shop handled it only briefly, and then said it was not longer
available. Probably not the whole truth.

My smart-ass response to which stouts are better than Guinness would be
"pretty much all of them." I find Guinness to be incredibly overrated.
It's
thin, one-dimensional and not all that interesting.

After absorbing a lot of Guinness during three weeks in Ireland, I
can't agree with that.

I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.


no that is not true.

(Guinness Extra Stout in bottles is brewed by Labatt's, but the draught
and the can-draught and bottle-draught is from ireland)