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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:

Anyone know of any beer contest(s) so structured?

Maybe it's better not to have an annual contest, but to do what the
Beverage Testing Institute does:
http://www.tastings.com/search_beer.lasso

Or for that matter, www.ratebeer.com !


Yep, now theere's your consumer beer contest. Beers are sampled
mostly as is from store shelves and draught in bars. Of course most
have the decency not to rate a beer thats obviously past its prime or
has been mishandled, but for beers that are prone to those kinds of
off-tastes, the consumer ought to know that, and it will be reflected
somewhat at ratebeer.

Its also a large representative sample, except it doesn't really
represent people who drink beer but don't like it (i.e. the swill
chuggers of the world)

Plus, as someone else will likely point out, Ratebeer tends to attract a
majority of people who like big, aggressive beers (including me).
Pilsners fare comparably badly against, say imperial stouts. That being
said, from a pure data standpoint, it's got the most beer-related data
points of any place on the planet I know of.
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, it was written:

Expletive Deleted wrote in
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:

Anyone know of any beer contest(s) so structured?

Maybe it's better not to have an annual contest, but to do what the
Beverage Testing Institute does:
http://www.tastings.com/search_beer.lasso

Or for that matter, www.ratebeer.com !


Yep, now theere's your consumer beer contest. Beers are sampled
mostly as is from store shelves and draught in bars. Of course most
have the decency not to rate a beer thats obviously past its prime or
has been mishandled, but for beers that are prone to those kinds of
off-tastes, the consumer ought to know that, and it will be reflected
somewhat at ratebeer.

Its also a large representative sample, except it doesn't really
represent people who drink beer but don't like it (i.e. the swill
chuggers of the world)

Plus, as someone else will likely point out, Ratebeer tends to attract a
majority of people who like big, aggressive beers (including me).
Pilsners fare comparably badly against, say imperial stouts. That being
said, from a pure data standpoint, it's got the most beer-related data
points of any place on the planet I know of.

yup, and even with that kind of bias, if one wants to know what the best
pilsners are, one can search by top ratings in that category and get good
information.

yup, and even with that kind of bias, if one wants to know what the
best pilsners are, one can search by top ratings in that category and get
good information.

True. It's still a cold shower to see all those top ratings at about 3.7 on
a 5 point scale where other styles are well into the 4's. It makes you
wonder what's wrong with those other styles!

And as regards 'big' beers, I picked up a six of Dogfish Head 60 Minute the
other day, and it is knockout. Completely delicious. Makes me weep.
It has all the flowery complexity that I like in Bell's Two-Hearted, but
with even more intricate gothic zooming, yet it scores below other IPA's
that are impenetrable walls of hops.

"Douglas W. Hoyt" wrote in
:


yup, and even with that kind of bias, if one wants to know what
the
best pilsners are, one can search by top ratings in that category and
get good information.

True. It's still a cold shower to see all those top ratings at about
3.7 on a 5 point scale where other styles are well into the 4's. It
makes you wonder what's wrong with those other styles!

And as regards 'big' beers, I picked up a six of Dogfish Head 60
Minute the other day, and it is knockout. Completely delicious.
Makes me weep. It has all the flowery complexity that I like in Bell's
Two-Hearted, but with even more intricate gothic zooming, yet it
scores below other IPA's that are impenetrable walls of hops.

Ah, fine choice. I tend to waffle between that, Hop Devil, or Dominion's
New River Pale as the finest IPA/APAs I've ever had. Still like the
monsters, as stuff like Ruination and Dreadnaught have lots of
complexity, love the battle between the mega-hops and huge malts.

When I first had 60 Minute IPA on draft, I loved it. Now that I can get
the bottled version, the draft just isn't as good any more. Something
about the character of the bottled version makes it incredibly unique,
doesn't seem to carry over to the kegged version. Would love to try it
casked, would be great to compare it directly to the bottled to see the
differences.
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Dan Iwerks thinks that the beer you're drinking probably sucks.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

"Dan Iwerks" dan_iwerksatyahoodottcom wrote in message
When I first had 60 Minute IPA on draft, I loved it. Now that I can get
the bottled version, the draft just isn't as good any more. Something
about the character of the bottled version makes it incredibly unique,
doesn't seem to carry over to the kegged version. Would love to try it
casked, would be great to compare it directly to the bottled to see the
differences.

Actually, the first time I had 60 Minute on draft, I was amazed at how much
like the bottle it was. It's still good, but hasn't been like that since.
Dunno what happened.

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www.LewBryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
available at www.amazon.com
The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
or respond to it. Spam away.

Scott T. Jensen blurted:
This isn't some conspiracy theory. What I state was SAID by
microbrewers on the show, SHOWN on the show, and even one of the
JUDGES that entered in his own beer (Dark Chocolate Stout ... if I
remember correctly) was shown specially hand-bottling his own beer
and stating why he's doing it.

Well, if you saw it on TV, it MUST be true!

fr0glet

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Lew Bryson wrote:

"Dan Iwerks" dan_iwerksatyahoodottcom wrote in message
When I first had 60 Minute IPA on draft, I loved it. Now that I can get
the bottled version, the draft just isn't as good any more. Something
about the character of the bottled version makes it incredibly unique,
doesn't seem to carry over to the kegged version. Would love to try it
casked, would be great to compare it directly to the bottled to see the
differences.

Actually, the first time I had 60 Minute on draft, I was amazed at how much
like the bottle it was. It's still good, but hasn't been like that since.
Dunno what happened.


I recall my first and only sampling of the 60 minute: from cask on a
Friday the Firkenteenth at the Grey Lodge sometime in 2001. It was
lovely...as was the Flying Fish Farmhouse ale. Dangit I miss that! Now
I gotta put up with stuff like that silly ass beer dinner in the other
thread.