yd+yg+as wrote:
On 5/31/2008 11:12 AM ignored two million years of
human evolution to write:

However I am impressed that Dick knew about the Belgium Trappist
Brewery.

Dunno why. There are six of them, plus a seventh in the Netherlands.
Their existences are hardly a secret, and beers from all except one of
them are available in the USA.

Quibble: Beers from all of them are available in the States. One, of
them, however, is not legally available.

-S

yd+yg+as wrote:

Wouldn't be at all
surprised to see a massive consolidation of these brands' distribution
networks should an AnBev (or is it InBusch?) merger take place, complete
with lots of yelling and shouting and lawsuits galore.

Nor would I. I'm sure that's one of the reasons InBev is eyeing the
transaction. But I still think the things that are really lighting up
their eyes are the entry into North America, and the ability to brew
some of their core brands in the States, rather than in Europe (similar
to how Guinness Extra Stout is brewed in Canada).

The reason InBev is looking at A-B is not because A-B is struggling.
It's because A-B wants a strong foothold in the North American market,
and A-B's the one takeover opportunity.

The reason *who* wants a strong foothold? (Yeah, I know what you
meant. PSYCH!)


Yeah, got one too many A-Bs in there. InBev wants in NA. A-B is already
quite established in NA.

-S

InBev is largely responsible for dumbing down the beer range from
breweries they have taken over, ruining the Belle-Vue lambic range,


Hmmm. With the exception of the not very often produced Sélection Lambic, as
well as with the vatted lambics, as good as never leaving the Henegouwenkaai
plant, there wasn't a lot to ruin in that shed. And Belle-Vue themselves had
a longstanding record themselves of ruining excellent producers of
spontaneously fermented beers, ending with the manslaughter on De Neve in
St. Gertrudis - Pede.

However I am impressed that Dick knew about the Belgium
Trappist Brewery.

Dunno why. There are six of them, plus a seventh in the
Netherlands. Their existences are hardly a secret, and
beers from all except one of them are available in the USA.

Quibble: Beers from all of them are available in the States. On
One of them, however, is not legally available.

I have purchased the following within the last year:
Chimay Grande Reserve
Rochefort 10
Westmalle Dubbel
Westvleteren 12

So the Monasteries in question:
Achelse Kluis
Orval
Koningshoeven (Netherlands)

So which one is not legally available? And why?

Dick

On May 31, 10:42 pm, (Dick Adams) wrote:
wrote:
Steve Jackson wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
If the Belgians started brewing Industrial Light
lagers in Belgium, the Trappist Monks would burn
them at the stake.
Um, there aren't many fires around the Stella Artois
brewery (owned by InBev, incidentally).
However I am impressed that Dick knew about the
Belgium Trappist Brewery.

Why be impressed by common knowledge?

My knowledge came from the Trappistine nuns near by.
(see link below) Trappistine nuns from Belgium
opened up an American Monastery in Redwoods of Calf.

I believe he Trappistine nuns make candies, not beer.

http://www.whitebeertravels.co.uk/chimay.html

I didn't notice anything about nuns in the above
link

Dick
Each of the Trappistine convents have what is called a "Father
Immediate". That monastery of 'monks' sort of assists their assigned
convent to help them with support of all sorts, sometimes even
physical work, farming etc. The nuns that I met from Belgium, headed
to California, told us that their "Father Immediate" used to give them
beer from their brewery.
Seemed humorous to us that they lucked out with who their father-
immediate was.

"Dick Adams" schreef in bericht
...
However I am impressed that Dick knew about the Belgium
Trappist Brewery.

Dunno why. There are six of them, plus a seventh in the
Netherlands. Their existences are hardly a secret, and
beers from all except one of them are available in the USA.

Quibble: Beers from all of them are available in the States. On
One of them, however, is not legally available.

I have purchased the following within the last year:
Chimay Grande Reserve
Rochefort 10
Westmalle Dubbel
Westvleteren 12

So the Monasteries in question:
Achelse Kluis
Orval
Koningshoeven (Netherlands)

So which one is not legally available? And why?


Your Westvleteren 12 ought to have been perfectly illegal - at least at one
stage, because:
1° Westvleteren abbey explicitely refuses to export
2° Every customer has to declare (on the bill) that he will refrain from any
second sale of the purchased goods.

So, the only legal way for a non-resident of Belgium to obtain a
Westvleteren, is to make an appointment with the abbey, and purchase himself
the goods. Any subsequent sale being out of the question, of course.

Joris Pattyn wrote:

"Dick Adams" schreef in bericht
...

However I am impressed that Dick knew about the Belgium
Trappist Brewery.

Dunno why. There are six of them, plus a seventh in the
Netherlands. Their existences are hardly a secret, and
beers from all except one of them are available in the USA.

Quibble: Beers from all of them are available in the States. On

One of them, however, is not legally available.

I have purchased the following within the last year:
Chimay Grande Reserve
Rochefort 10
Westmalle Dubbel
Westvleteren 12

So the Monasteries in question:
Achelse Kluis
Orval
Koningshoeven (Netherlands)

So which one is not legally available? And why?



Your Westvleteren 12 ought to have been perfectly illegal - at least at one
stage, because:
1° Westvleteren abbey explicitely refuses to export
2° Every customer has to declare (on the bill) that he will refrain from any
second sale of the purchased goods.

So, the only legal way for a non-resident of Belgium to obtain a
Westvleteren, is to make an appointment with the abbey, and purchase himself
the goods. Any subsequent sale being out of the question, of course.

Could you give it away, as a present?

Or give it to anyone who bought one of your (strangely overpriced)
bottle openers? -Eric

yd+yg+as wrote:
ObPetPeeve:

BELGIUM is the name of a country.

BELGIAN is the adjective used to describe things and people from
BELGIUM.

The bartenders and waiters at the restaurant I ate at
last night think Belgium is spelled C-A-N-A-D-A. They
confidently told me Blanche de Chambly was not from Canada
as I told my lovely wife, but was from Belgium.
--

Joel Plutchak "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com - Sheldon Miller

yd+yg+as wrote:
InBev is largely responsible for dumbing down the beer range from
breweries they have taken over, ruining the Belle-Vue lambic range...

When was Belle-Vue good? The first time I tried it (in a
bar in Tempe AZ of all places, circa 1991) I was distinctly
unimpressed.
--

Joel Plutchak "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com - Sheldon Miller

"Joris Pattyn" wrote in message
...

"Dick Adams" schreef in bericht
...
However I am impressed that Dick knew about the Belgium
Trappist Brewery.

Dunno why. There are six of them, plus a seventh in the
Netherlands. Their existences are hardly a secret, and
beers from all except one of them are available in the USA.

Quibble: Beers from all of them are available in the States. On
One of them, however, is not legally available.

I have purchased the following within the last year:
Chimay Grande Reserve
Rochefort 10
Westmalle Dubbel
Westvleteren 12

So the Monasteries in question:
Achelse Kluis
Orval
Koningshoeven (Netherlands)

So which one is not legally available? And why?


Your Westvleteren 12 ought to have been perfectly illegal - at least at
one stage, because:
1° Westvleteren abbey explicitely refuses to export
2° Every customer has to declare (on the bill) that he will refrain from
any second sale of the purchased goods.

So, the only legal way for a non-resident of Belgium to obtain a
Westvleteren, is to make an appointment with the abbey, and purchase
himself the goods. Any subsequent sale being out of the question, of
course.

The Belgian Shop is the biggest culprit.(that's how I got my 6 bottles of 12
and 4 of the 8) They, a company based in Belgium, obviously don't respect
the wishes of the Abbey and sell the beers *online* for delivery to just
about anywhere in the world, so how can we, the consumers of fine beer,
resist the temptation? ;^)

Btw, I traded away 7 of the bottles I bought.




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Btw, I traded away 7 of the bottles I bought.


What for? A crate of Romanée Conti? ;^}

"Joris Pattyn" wrote in message
...

Btw, I traded away 7 of the bottles I bought.


What for? A crate of Romanée Conti? ;^}

Dammit, I had to Google that! lol
IIRC, and I'm pretty sure I do, I traded them for local brews of the people
I traded with.




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On 6/1/2008 7:44 AM Joel ignored two million years of human evolution to
write:

yd+yg+as wrote:
InBev is largely responsible for dumbing down the beer range from
breweries they have taken over, ruining the Belle-Vue lambic range...

When was Belle-Vue good? The first time I tried it (in a
bar in Tempe AZ of all places, circa 1991) I was distinctly
unimpressed.

See Joris's post for more, but Belle-Vue was in a long and
unhappy process of dumbing down for years, so no surprise that
you had yet another dull, lifeless Belle-Vue product in 1991.

The last Belle-Vue Selection Lambic was produced in something
like 1999, AFAIK, and its appearance before then was also
rather infrequent. It was, at the least, good. There are
still hidden stashes of the '99 bottles in dwindling quantity.

It's not impossible for a bigger corporate brewing company to
turn a specialty lambic-brewer loose to make something good.
SCAM (Scottish Courage - Alken-Maes) did it with its Mort
Subite brewery, in Kobbegem, Belgium, releasing the Oude
Gueuze and Oude Kriek in recent years. I haven't seen them
as imports in the USA, unfortunately.
--
dgs

On 5/31/2008 2:13 PM David V. Loewe, Jr ignored two million years of
human evolution to write:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:32:22 -0700, yd+yg+as
wrote:

On 5/31/2008 8:42 AM Dick Adams ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

ObPetPeeve:

BELGIUM is the name of a country.

Flanders or Wallonia?

Yes.

yd+yg+as wrote:
The last Belle-Vue Selection Lambic was produced in something
like 1999, AFAIK, and its appearance before then was also
rather infrequent. It was, at the least, good. There are
still hidden stashes of the '99 bottles in dwindling quantity.

If you see any, snatch it up. I'll do the same. Next time
we meet we'll imbibe. :-)
--

Joel Plutchak "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com - Sheldon Miller