Jack Schidt® wrote:

The National Guard needs to stay at home, for proper Homeland
Security, and not be a piggy bank for manpower overseas.

Exactly. It is one of the reasons NG units are not getting their quotas
filled. These guys are being used like frontline troops.

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

For the billions of dollars being spent on homeland security we should
be able to put boots on the ground anywhere in the US and provide
effective relief within hours. Taking days is simply not acceptable.

As a note of interest, I had a local detachment of 17 Reserve troops --- all
in civies -- show up at the restaurant today. They are on orders for
deployment to NOLA. They had just returned from Iraq 2 weeks ago. When I
found out who they were, they and their families dined on me. And those guys
sure packed away a lot of pork and brisket :-)

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still a
sizeable chunk of manpower.

Do you think that more that 3000 units are required for this? Manpower is
not the issue. Lack of planning by the state was.

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
news
The National Guard needs to stay at home, for proper Homeland Security,
and not be a piggy bank for manpower overseas.


And what are the men to do? Relief supplies are the real issue, not
manpower. If our soldiers can live in 140degree tents with supplies, so can
the ones that didn't evac. We need food ,water and medicine, not more people
on the ground consuming the resources. People use a little greymatter.

"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still a
sizeable chunk of manpower.

Do you think that more that 3000 units are required for this? Manpower is
not the issue. Lack of planning by the state was.


I was relating statistics, not rendering an opinion. My opinion is that
both state and federal governments failed miserably on this one.

Jack

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
We should have a "homeland security force" that has one and only one
mission. It should be well paid, well trained and capable of responding
with 50% of its members within 24 hours. Who in the USA wouldn't be willing
to pay taxes for that? (other than those who don't want to pay taxes for
anything).

And what size catatrophe do you plan for. What is needed initially is air
drops of food, water, rescue tools and medicine, not manpower. So what
happens when a city of 1mil is hit (think LA and an earthquake)? If you
under plan it is just as bad as not planning at all. How can you fathom the
idea of supplying food and water for that amount of people for 1 day let
alone a week or two?

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
m...

"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
...


I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still a
sizeable chunk of manpower.

Do you think that more that 3000 units are required for this? Manpower is
not the issue. Lack of planning by the state was.


I was relating statistics, not rendering an opinion. My opinion is that
both state and federal governments failed miserably on this one.

Sorry, I thought you were. I agree with the state failure but the feds no. I
listened last night as a senator from BatonRouge tried to argue that it is
ok for the Feds to move into the state without the Governers request. Why
was this an issue? The Gov never asked until at the last moment. You just
can't do that due to Posse Comitatus.

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
Duwop wrote:

Dave, did anyone "win" the last go around where you showed off your
beliefs?

Was it a contest? And is anyone winning while you show off YOUR beliefs?

Let's ask you your own question "did anyone "win" the last go around where
you showed off your
beliefs?"

Must of been important to you to ask twice. Or short term memory loss, take
your pick. But you do seem to understand that everyone lost, yet not be
acting on that knowledge.

The funny thing is, it is folks like you and Martin who have to turn
everything into politics, yet you run squeeeeeling like pigs to the
slaughter when confronted.

Ya know, if you want to slime someone every time they disagree with you you
really need to construct your insults better. Simply by replying I've made
the above false. If you hadn't used this insult I probably would have not
replied and let things die.

WOOF

D
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"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
m...

"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still
a sizeable chunk of manpower.

Do you think that more that 3000 units are required for this? Manpower
is not the issue. Lack of planning by the state was.


I was relating statistics, not rendering an opinion. My opinion is that
both state and federal governments failed miserably on this one.

Sorry, I thought you were. I agree with the state failure but the feds no.
I listened last night as a senator from BatonRouge tried to argue that it
is ok for the Feds to move into the state without the Governers request.
Why was this an issue? The Gov never asked until at the last moment. You
just can't do that due to Posse Comitatus.


Posse Comitatus only applies to the Military, not the Coast Guard or the
rest of Homeland Security, including FEMA. Something tells me we're going
to hear that term misused a lot in the coming weeks.

The Governor's request was made on August 28th before Katrina's landfall.
Are you saying it should have been made sooner? Do you declare an area a
state of emergencey BEFORE there is an emergency? If so, the FEMA should
have begun mobilizing beforehand as well. Besides, it's not like her letter
was hand carried to Washington by Pony Express. More than likely it was
emailed, even faxed. That's Aug 28th. The hurricane hit soonafter, yet the
requested federal aid didn't appear until yesterday. The head of FEMA
pleaded ignorance to the severity of conditions, claiming he didn't know
until Thursday, Sept 1, that there were 15,000 refugees in the Superdome.

I'm not going to argue this topic any further. You're not going to convince
me that the Feds are off the hook, and quite possibly I'm not going to
convince you otherwise. I say drop it.

Anway, back to bbq. Jack Curry used to bemoan the fact that we dragged
politics into this forum.

Jack - no bbq today, but grilling. Steak last night, bratwurst today, who
the hell knows what mañana.

The Posse Comitatus Act has no practical effect today, and it is easily
circumvented by the Stafford Act, 42 USC 5521, which can be applied in times
of natural disaster, as well as the Civil Disturbance Act, 10 USC 331.

It doesn't appear that the Federal government was standing at the borders of
Louisiana and Mississippi just waiting to go in but held off until the
Governors gave them the go-ahead. As the foreign press has aptly observed,
Katrina measured and tracked with mathematical precision, but very little,
if anything, was done to prepare for its aftermath.


"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
m...

"NotHome" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
...


I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still
a sizeable chunk of manpower.

Do you think that more that 3000 units are required for this? Manpower
is not the issue. Lack of planning by the state was.


I was relating statistics, not rendering an opinion. My opinion is that
both state and federal governments failed miserably on this one.

Sorry, I thought you were. I agree with the state failure but the feds no.
I listened last night as a senator from BatonRouge tried to argue that it
is ok for the Feds to move into the state without the Governers request.
Why was this an issue? The Gov never asked until at the last moment. You
just can't do that due to Posse Comitatus.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:49:35 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
wrote:

The head of FEMA
pleaded ignorance to the severity of conditions, claiming he didn't know
until Thursday, Sept 1, that there were 15,000 refugees in the Superdome.

He was referring to the people in the Ernest Morial Convention Center,
not the Superdome.

"Jack Schidt®" wrote

Anway, back to bbq. Jack Curry used to bemoan the fact that we dragged
politics into this forum.

Jack - no bbq today, but grilling. Steak last night, bratwurst today, who
the hell knows what mañana.



Hoisting one to my departed friend Mr. Jack.

Here's to all y'all. (hoisting another)

Here's to everybody. (hoisting yet another)

How about we all just get drunk and forget about it for a while.


There's grilling or smoking in my future as the weather just kinda broke.
It's been hellish for the last month and it's tolerable now for a few days.
(I build houses in Florida if you need to know)

Here's to the group. May AFB carry on like I found it..........a place
where people are glad to share info and relate stories.

Hoisting another...........I'll report back later...


TFM®

NotHome wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message

We should have a "homeland security force" that has one and only one
mission. It should be well paid, well trained and capable of responding
with 50% of its members within 24 hours. Who in the USA wouldn't be willing
to pay taxes for that? (other than those who don't want to pay taxes for
anything).


And what size catatrophe do you plan for. What is needed initially is air
drops of food, water, rescue tools and medicine, not manpower. So what
happens when a city of 1mil is hit (think LA and an earthquake)? If you
under plan it is just as bad as not planning at all. How can you fathom the
idea of supplying food and water for that amount of people for 1 day let
alone a week or two?

How about a category 4 hurricane with the expectation that 1 million
people will be displaced and major infrastructure damage will take
place. That has happened several times in the last 40 years. We were
less prepare for this event than for many of the others.

If you had read what I had written you wouldn't be asking stupid
questions like:

How can you fathom the
idea of supplying food and water for that amount of people for 1 day let
alone a week or two?

If we can't do the above then we should forget about disaster planning
at all. There are far too many attack methods that will require that and
more.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

"NotHome" wrote
And what size catatrophe do you plan for. What is needed initially is air
drops of food, water, rescue tools and medicine, not manpower. So what
happens when a city of 1mil is hit (think LA and an earthquake)? If you
under plan it is just as bad as not planning at all. How can you fathom
the
idea of supplying food and water for that amount of people for 1 day let
alone a week or two?


Here's an idea. A bit late, but an idea nonetheless.

How about not building major cities in disaster prone areas? Holy shit,
what a ****ing concept Batman!


Fault line? Let's put massive cities on it. It'll make for great footage
someday.

Below sea level and on the coast, you say? Wonderful! The news will be
really impressive on that impending disaster.

Yeah, I live in Florida.......we all know it's not the safest place either.

Maybe I should move to Kansas.


TFM®

NotHome wrote:
"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
news
The National Guard needs to stay at home, for proper Homeland Security,
and not be a piggy bank for manpower overseas.



And what are the men to do? Relief supplies are the real issue, not
manpower. If our soldiers can live in 140degree tents with supplies, so can
the ones that didn't evac. We need food ,water and medicine, not more people
on the ground consuming the resources. People use a little greymatter.

I assume you expect these relief supplies to deliver and distribute
themselves.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game