On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:50:52 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:

Jack Schidt® wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
...

Matthew L. Martin wrote:


Those we have. The National Guard and Military Reserve, which would
normally be delivering them are over stretched, either in Afghanistan
or Iraq or supporting the efforts there.

That's one of them myths that's been floating through the demo-left blogs.
The truth is quite different. While some of our reserve and guard units
have been deployed overseas, the majority of Guard unit strength is still
domestically deployed. However, it takes time to cut the orders, gather
together the troops, and transport them. They are, after all, civilians
being called to active duty when something like this occurs. The time
frame for guard response is actually the same for disaster and civil
disturbances now, as it was prior to Iraq.



I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but still a
sizeable chunk of manpower.


Parts of the Louisiana NG are being repatriated to Louisiana as I type.
These people should have been on the scene no later than Tuesday. It's
not their fault they were so far from home.

Matthew

I've been following this disaster on CNN
I think this FEMA guy Brown provides a deeper meaning to the word
'Incompetent'.

eg A bunch of guys dragged their swamp boats from Florida; launched
them & were busily dragging people to safety but FEMA made them stop
'because it may not have been safe'. ?

America has been offered help by bunches of Countries and according
Ms. Rice's Statement on TV today, none have been accepted. According
to our news feeds our Prime Minister's offer on Day One of this Mess
was not even acknowledged.

What can we do to help?
Well we have a large airborne fire fighting ability. We have an Armed
Forced Emergency Response team set up just for such events. They
performed superbly during the Tsunami Relief. Their specialty?
providing potable water and Field Medical Assistance.
The essence of what can be used down there and could be 'on the
ground' inside 24 hrs. A couple of Alberta's firefighting planes
could be there a lot more quickly - we do own a bunch of them.

Our Minister of Defence today announced that 3 Royal Canadian Navy
ships are 2 days out from Louisiana, loaded with supplies & personnel.

It seems that the US Feds are broadcasting results that cause the
locals - especially the Mayor of New Orleans serious disbelief
problems. I tend to believe the Mayor more than that other Piece of
Work, Brown.

Our Prayers go out to those poor people.

Harry

Harry Demidavicius wrote:


I've been following this disaster on CNN
I think this FEMA guy Brown provides a deeper meaning to the word
'Incompetent'.

How about "criminally incompetent"?

eg A bunch of guys dragged their swamp boats from Florida; launched
them & were busily dragging people to safety but FEMA made them stop
'because it may not have been safe'. ?

I suppose it never occurred to him that "it can't be made safe"?

America has been offered help by bunches of Countries and according
Ms. Rice's Statement on TV today, none have been accepted. According
to our news feeds our Prime Minister's offer on Day One of this Mess
was not even acknowledged.

What can we do to help?
Well we have a large airborne fire fighting ability. We have an Armed
Forced Emergency Response team set up just for such events. They
performed superbly during the Tsunami Relief. Their specialty?
providing potable water and Field Medical Assistance.
The essence of what can be used down there and could be 'on the
ground' inside 24 hrs. A couple of Alberta's firefighting planes
could be there a lot more quickly - we do own a bunch of them.

Our Minister of Defence today announced that 3 Royal Canadian Navy
ships are 2 days out from Louisiana, loaded with supplies & personnel.

The fact that our closest neighbor and largest trading partner is
willing to bring valuable assets to bear speaks volumes about their
generosity. The fact that our government isn't even willing to
acknowledge the offer speaks volumes about the arrogance of the current
administration.

It seems that the US Feds are broadcasting results that cause the
locals - especially the Mayor of New Orleans serious disbelief
problems. I tend to believe the Mayor more than that other Piece of
Work, Brown.

For a "compare and contrast" of fed-speak vs what is really happening

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response

I couldn't finish it. My blood pressure was headed to the moon. I can't
understand how they can stand there an lie like that in situation like
this. To GWB's credit, he has declared that the federal effort has
produced results that are "unacceptable". I hope he can shame/order the
executive branch into doing better.

Our Prayers go out to those poor people.


As do ours. Oh, and money too.

I fear to God what the response to a nuclear bomb detonated in a US city
by terrorists would be, given the response to a disaster we saw coming
for days before it happened. How long would radiation poisoning victims
have to wait before getting medical aid.

For the billions of dollars being spent on homeland security we should
be able to put boots on the ground anywhere in the US and provide
effective relief within hours. Taking days is simply not acceptable.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

Jack Schidt® wrote:

"Hmmm...so who operated the Berlin Airlift? PanAm?"

I'm not saying the military hasn't been used for humanitarian purposes, I'm
simply saying that we're not the best resource for that duty -- and most of
the time when used as such, they fail.

Using the military for such work is a modern phenomena. Prior to our days
as selfish, self-centered, un-neighborly assholes, the people of America all
chipped in to help out local officials during disasters. If the military
was used at all, it was used as a protective force to place an area under
martial law. Attempting to mold a soldier into a compassionate,
meals-on-wheels, welfare councilor defeats the very attitude that makes our
fighting men so efficient -- and successful.

As an aside, the previous poster was correct. The Berlin airlift was more a
poke in the eye to the Soviets than any true humanitarian effort.

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
Harry Demidavicius wrote:


I've been following this disaster on CNN
I think this FEMA guy Brown provides a deeper meaning to the word
'Incompetent'.

How about "criminally incompetent"?

eg A bunch of guys dragged their swamp boats from Florida; launched
them & were busily dragging people to safety but FEMA made them stop
'because it may not have been safe'. ?

I suppose it never occurred to him that "it can't be made safe"?

America has been offered help by bunches of Countries and according
Ms. Rice's Statement on TV today, none have been accepted. According
to our news feeds our Prime Minister's offer on Day One of this Mess
was not even acknowledged. What can we do to help?
Well we have a large airborne fire fighting ability. We have an Armed
Forced Emergency Response team set up just for such events. They
performed superbly during the Tsunami Relief. Their specialty?
providing potable water and Field Medical Assistance.
The essence of what can be used down there and could be 'on the
ground' inside 24 hrs. A couple of Alberta's firefighting planes
could be there a lot more quickly - we do own a bunch of them.

Our Minister of Defence today announced that 3 Royal Canadian Navy
ships are 2 days out from Louisiana, loaded with supplies & personnel.

The fact that our closest neighbor and largest trading partner is willing
to bring valuable assets to bear speaks volumes about their generosity.
The fact that our government isn't even willing to acknowledge the offer
speaks volumes about the arrogance of the current administration.

It seems that the US Feds are broadcasting results that cause the
locals - especially the Mayor of New Orleans serious disbelief
problems. I tend to believe the Mayor more than that other Piece of
Work, Brown.

For a "compare and contrast" of fed-speak vs what is really happening

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response

I couldn't finish it. My blood pressure was headed to the moon. I can't
understand how they can stand there an lie like that in situation like
this. To GWB's credit, he has declared that the federal effort has
produced results that are "unacceptable". I hope he can shame/order the
executive branch into doing better.

Our Prayers go out to those poor people.


As do ours. Oh, and money too.

I fear to God what the response to a nuclear bomb detonated in a US city
by terrorists would be, given the response to a disaster we saw coming for
days before it happened. How long would radiation poisoning victims have
to wait before getting medical aid.

For the billions of dollars being spent on homeland security we should be
able to put boots on the ground anywhere in the US and provide effective
relief within hours. Taking days is simply not acceptable.

Matthew



We saw what happened after 9/11 and NY had to fight for the money that was
promised. Not popular 'round here, that Washington bunch. Money was sent
to places that, let's face it, aren't threat sites. Wyoming, gimme a break.
No, we have some competense problems to iron out when it comes to a national
disaster.

Jack

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
...

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
Harry Demidavicius wrote:


I've been following this disaster on CNN
I think this FEMA guy Brown provides a deeper meaning to the word
'Incompetent'.

How about "criminally incompetent"?

eg A bunch of guys dragged their swamp boats from Florida; launched
them & were busily dragging people to safety but FEMA made them stop
'because it may not have been safe'. ?

I suppose it never occurred to him that "it can't be made safe"?

America has been offered help by bunches of Countries and according
Ms. Rice's Statement on TV today, none have been accepted. According
to our news feeds our Prime Minister's offer on Day One of this Mess
was not even acknowledged. What can we do to help?
Well we have a large airborne fire fighting ability. We have an Armed
Forced Emergency Response team set up just for such events. They
performed superbly during the Tsunami Relief. Their specialty?
providing potable water and Field Medical Assistance.
The essence of what can be used down there and could be 'on the
ground' inside 24 hrs. A couple of Alberta's firefighting planes
could be there a lot more quickly - we do own a bunch of them.

Our Minister of Defence today announced that 3 Royal Canadian Navy
ships are 2 days out from Louisiana, loaded with supplies & personnel.

The fact that our closest neighbor and largest trading partner is willing
to bring valuable assets to bear speaks volumes about their generosity.
The fact that our government isn't even willing to acknowledge the offer
speaks volumes about the arrogance of the current administration.

It seems that the US Feds are broadcasting results that cause the
locals - especially the Mayor of New Orleans serious disbelief
problems. I tend to believe the Mayor more than that other Piece of
Work, Brown.

For a "compare and contrast" of fed-speak vs what is really happening

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response

I couldn't finish it. My blood pressure was headed to the moon. I can't
understand how they can stand there an lie like that in situation like
this. To GWB's credit, he has declared that the federal effort has
produced results that are "unacceptable". I hope he can shame/order the
executive branch into doing better.

Our Prayers go out to those poor people.


As do ours. Oh, and money too.

I fear to God what the response to a nuclear bomb detonated in a US city
by terrorists would be, given the response to a disaster we saw coming
for days before it happened. How long would radiation poisoning victims
have to wait before getting medical aid.

For the billions of dollars being spent on homeland security we should be
able to put boots on the ground anywhere in the US and provide effective
relief within hours. Taking days is simply not acceptable.

Matthew



We saw what happened after 9/11 and NY had to fight for the money that was
promised. Not popular 'round here, that Washington bunch. Money was sent
to places that, let's face it, aren't threat sites. Wyoming, gimme a
break. No, we have some competense problems to iron out when it comes to a
national disaster.

Jack


And I incompetently spelled 'incompetence' wrong

Jack

Ya know guys, I'm reminded of the late Jack Curry. He and I disagreed on
several political and social issues, but always respectfully so.

I think this thread has become threadbare. ;-(((

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"D. Winsor" wrote

"Those types of posts never resolve, regardless of how successful the
counter, much as the JFK conspiracy theorists will never accept that there
was no second shooter on the grassy knoll, regardles of the evidence to
the
contrary."



No they don't. I understand The looting and violence is much worse now in
New Orleans. Why is that? Why can the military pinpoint any place on
earth
and execute a plan to kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own
people in your own backyard.


I've actually been wondering that myself.

Lotta questions have been aroused by this.


TFM®

"cl" wrote in message
...


"D. Winsor" wrote:

Why can the military pinpoint any place on earth
and execute a plan to kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own
people in your own backyard.

Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you
wish to speak on US politics.

I can only assume from your response that your initials stand for ****
Lapper.

That's the most igonorant reply I've read today...........but I've just
started.


TFM?

"cl" wrote


The context of this is confusing (or all inclusive). Are you commenting
on an isolationalist mentality or unsophisticaed? I'd also love to know
your definition of "hillbillie-like" and how it implies anything in
regard to your argument.

-CAL


Look here mother-****ers. As one, I can clearly state that the word is
spelled, "Hillbilly".

I'm southern trash and I'll whip your ass to prove it.

Hugs,
TFM®

wrote:
Ya know guys, I'm reminded of the late Jack Curry. He and I disagreed on
several political and social issues, but always respectfully so.

I think this thread has become threadbare. ;-(((


I 6think this is the inverse of Godwin's law. Once Jack Curry's name is
invoked a thread is dead.

Let it die.

Thanks, Nick.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

Jack Schidt® wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message


For the billions of dollars being spent on homeland security we should be
able to put boots on the ground anywhere in the US and provide effective
relief within hours. Taking days is simply not acceptable.

We saw what happened after 9/11 and NY had to fight for the money that was
promised. Not popular 'round here, that Washington bunch. Money was sent
to places that, let's face it, aren't threat sites. Wyoming, gimme a break.
No, we have some competense problems to iron out when it comes to a national
disaster.

Spelling errors and all, you nailed it. We should have a "homeland
security force" that has one and only one mission. It should be well
paid, well trained and capable of responding with 50% of its members
within 24 hours. Who in the USA wouldn't be willing to pay taxes for
that? (other than those who don't want to pay taxes for anything).

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

D. Winsor wrote:
The problem with that Dave is I don't hate America. I grew up with
American bases around and half my family is American.

Right.... my best friend is_____

Canada and have worked side by side with Americans in the oil fields.
I'm afraid some of those people leave you with much the same
impression as orientals in that you don't really work with them as
much as hinder them like dirt on their shoe.

Huh?

No they don't. I understand The looting and violence is much worse
now in New Orleans.

Yes it is. I agree we have scum and amoral individuals. Plus many of the
local lockups freed their prisoners.

Why is that? Why can the military pinpoint any
place on earth and execute a plan to kill, but it can't execute a
plan to save your own people in your own backyard.

Uh, they are. As far as police action:

20 Stat. L., 145
June 18, 1878

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to
employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or
otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and
under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly
authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money
appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred
in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person
willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of
a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not
exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by
both such fine and imprisonment.

Of course you can look up the full text of the The Posse Comitatus Act of
1878 if you wish.

Yes, and poking your head in the sand is good too.

You are just precious. I had a better description of where your head is
located.

Look at it this
way: Like it or not we are part of America,

Not hardly.

North America, and we're
a lot like you people down there except we don't have the pressures
you do. We're concerned, Dave, that you people have actually gone
right around the bend and aren't acting on this disaster because of
the colour of the people mostly left behind and you president likes
the high price of oil right now.

Thanks for doing more to make my point about your delusions, paranoid fits,
and complete mental meltdown than I could ever hope to say all on my own.

If you gave us free passage, our
Canadian military do build and teach economics to the poor and
downtrodden. We could be there in a day.

Really? You guys can't even get your ships out of port for three days to
begin the trip..... check yer current news. BTW, those who can do, those who
wish they could TEACH.

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

D. Winsor wrote:

Not a chance. We have a stadium in this city, St. John's....

Ya know, your method of trying to include interleaved text for your response
is admirable, but a failure. It is confusing trying to seperate my responses
from your text. Why don't you figure out how to properly quote text.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

It may be pointless to assign blame (and there is plenty that could be
assigned to all parties) the real question is: What are we going to do
about it? Play gotcha, again? NOLA is too important to out national
economy (as we will see first hand) to have let this happen, but we
did.
snip ...

Matthew, you and I will never see politics in the same way. But I am glad
to say we can agree on this.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Jack Schidt® wrote:

I heard on Fox news that 40 percent of Mississippi's and 35 percent of
Louisiana's NG are in Iraq. This is reduced from last year, but
still a sizeable chunk of manpower.

Thanks for the update, Jack.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/