D. Winsor wrote:

.... Basic preparedness like
ensuring the soundness of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows
how far your country has sunk under Republican rule.

That's right, the levee system was only built in 2001.

There was an
awful lot of warning for thuis storm to have so much misery untended
in the aftermath.

Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?

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Kevin S. Wilson wrote:

"Improve National Response and Recovery Efforts by Focusing FEMA on
Its Core Functions. FEMA will report directly to the Secretary of
Homeland Security."

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0646.xml

Right. Just like the FBI, CIA, etc. etc. That's because it is a
clearinghouse agency. Now, show us just where DIRECTION of the agency is
run DIRECTLY by Homeland Security.

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BOB wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/1282151.html

Published on September 11, 2001, no less.

From the above article: "The fact that New Orleans has not already sunk
is a matter of luck"

--
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
...
"Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?"

You're the one using the word stupid. Up north of you is a brother who
thinks your country has lost its way. Half of my family is from and live in
the southern US full time as citizens and there's a great number of
snowbirds there every winter. The snowbirds are leaving. The US citizens
are talking immigration and we're watching a brother country sink further
and further into paranoia and insanity. Your defensiveness is a good
indication why my children will see the US as a third world country.

Up here I see most people wondering how your country could leave these
people as they are for so long. Up here I see most people asking how they
can help. I figure you guys would have trouble accepting a good deal of
those people over your border.

--
Dave
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"D. Winsor" wrote:

PLONK!

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wrote in message
...
"D. Winsor" wrote:
"PLONK!"

There's American isolationism at work. BTW, I'm a great supporter of troops
and vetrans however misplaced they may be.

On 02 Sep 2005 10:09:58 GMT, wrote:

"D. Winsor" wrote:

PLONK!

Got no counter-argument, huh? Very mature.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:26 GMT, "D. Winsor"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
"D. Winsor" wrote:
"PLONK!"

There's American isolationism at work.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

You misspled "intellectual cowardice." He might just as well have
stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Dave, did anyone "win" the last go around where you showed off your beliefs?
And BTW Being a "dittohead" is NOT something to be proud of. Your attempts
to discredit sources etc. make obvious who you listen to. Seen it before.
Bet you're up on most "talking points" and can regurgitate the party line on
Swift Boat Vets, SSI, why AARP is such a bad group, how Cindy is a lesbian
communist amerika-hater and why Rove is blemish free in regards to the
Wilson/Plame affair and why, oh why is he being persecuted?

Life long registered Republican, but thinks GW is a disgrace to his country
and should probably be in prison, along with 2 of his brothers.

They find any WMD yet? How 'bout Osama? Madrid, London would like to know.

D
--





"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
...
Matthew L. Martin wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:

Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.

Your "points" are well regurgitatated,

As are yours.

but you really should broaden
you reading material.

To what, the New York Times. Without any evidence to the contrary, you
divert the drivel you spout to an attempt to denigrate my information
sources? How patronizing.

Many people inside the current administration
have made statements essentially the same as the ones I made.

Not really. You have pulled things way out of meaning.

are not controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your
news from FOX and Limbaugh.

No, but Air America appears to be your bed buddy.

FEMA is run by homeland security? Really? Sorta like the CIA and
the FBI are run by homeland security?




http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...?category=1152
&slug=Katrina%20Homeland%20Security


Seattle PI..... now THAT'S a balanced source..... NOT.

At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

No, you didn't. You simply regurgitated liberal pablum. Homeland Security
is
a coordinating federal umbrella of agencies. It's mission is to develop
priorities for emergency responses to a variety of national crises, and to
act as a clearing house for domestic and international intelligence. It
does
not operate those agencies, which is what you have tried to state. Each
agency responds to the priorities as it sees fit. But of course you knew
that.


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"D. Winsor" wrote:

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
...

"Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?"

Just read the link Reg contributed.

The last hurricane could have been just as bad. I was supposed to be
down there then but cancelled the plans because I knew the history and
the problems. It didn't happen though. It is totally unfortunate for
those suffering but they knew better. Anyone that stayed should be
nominated for a Darwin but that doesn't change the fact that we must
help them, fast. I've heard some harse statements from people that I
disagree with but I think only a souless individual could wish harm on
these people just because they made a stupid decision. It is like saying
a child deserved to be shocked if they stick a knife in the socket.


********* All in all, blame the state for not having a response plan in
place not the Feds. Blame the one that stayed in NewOreleans for the
misery that they are having. The state carries the burden for not
helping those evacuate that did not have the means. It is now time for
the Feds to bail out the state for pispoor planning. It takes time to
mobilize (what you think the boat in the area survived and the navy
didn't move out of the way) and it isn't as easy as just dropping in
food (ever seen what happens when you drop food in the middle of 25000
starving people).*********

A similar situation can happen anytime in the New Madrid and San Andreas
area. If a warning were put out and I didn't move to a stable region,
then I'd have nobody to blame but myself.

-CAL

"Kevin S. Wilson" wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:26 GMT, "D. Winsor"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
"D. Winsor" wrote:
"PLONK!"

There's American isolationism at work.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

You misspled "intellectual cowardice." He might just as well have
stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"


I hear the comments from the peanut gallery but no response to the
discussion at hand. Kevin, care to step out on a limb for a second and
state a belief or are you gonna keep on doing the 'Safety Dance'?

-CAL

Duwop wrote:

They find any WMD yet? How 'bout Osama? Madrid, London would like to know.

Nice transition and dilution. So you are blaming the US for Madrid and
London attacks?

I guess you would also blame a guy for being carjacked just because he
has a nice car too? You may not see the correlation but the issue is we
walk amongst snakes. Some would rather dodge them and base their
security on luck, others would rather take charge and try to remove the
nuisance. The first case allows the snake to multiply and only get
worse. The second case at least offers the hope that the threat will be
neutralized. In both cases you risk getting bitten. There is no
provocation, they bite you because you are there.

-CAL

D. Winsor wrote:

You're the one using the word stupid.

I was the one who used the word "stooopid".

Up north of you is a brother
who thinks your country has lost its way.

Ah, rhetoric, thy use is hyperbolic.

Half of my family is from
and live in the southern US full time as citizens

They have good taste.

and there's a great
number of snowbirds there every winter. The snowbirds are leaving.

It has to do with global warming and interference with migration patterns.

The US citizens are talking immigration

We talk about it all the time. We are trying to keep the flood of illegals
out.

and we're watching a brother
country sink further and further into paranoia and insanity.

Uh, huh. Oh, and the phrase "Brother Country" is catchy, too.

Your
defensiveness is a good indication why my children will see the US as
a third world country.

That should state "defense of my country". And your children are just so
very important to me, I think our country should do whatever it takes to
make your children see us the way you belive we should be.

Gee, you'd hate to know what my children think of our Northern Funny Uncle.
Hmm... actually, they don't think of you folks at all. Wow.

Up here I see most people wondering how your country could leave these
people as they are for so long.

You really are a strange person. But of course,we're not as experienced at
rescuing hurricane stranded folks as Canada. I guess in your world view of
things massive numbers of people --- all of whom, btw, ignored the warnings
to move out of the area --- stranded.over a massive territory that has had
all infrastructure destroyed, could be rescued immediately. I wish we were
as good as you. I guess I'll move to Canada, ya just never know when
rescuing from a hurricane might be necessary.

Up here I see most people asking
how they can help.

The Red Cross doesn't exist in Canada?

I figure you guys would have trouble accepting a
good deal of those people over your border.

A good deal of "what" people? And when these people get here, just what is
it that they are going to do? And how are they going to get in the affected
areas? And what are they going to do then. Heck, send 'em down, the
border is still open, ain't it? What's stopping you from putting your money
where your mouth is?

--
Dave
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http://davebbq.com/

D. Winsor wrote:

There's American isolationism at work. BTW, I'm a great supporter of
troops and vetrans however misplaced they may be.

They're not misplaced. We know where every one of 'em are.

--
Dave
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http://davebbq.com/

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:

Got no counter-argument, huh? Very mature.

There ARE such things as stupid questions, stupid people, and stupid
discussions. There is also no obligation to waste one's time in answering
every tired, regurgitated, "I hate America" post. Those types of posts
never resolve, regardless of how successful the counter, much as the JFK
conspiracy theorists will never accept that there was no second shooter on
the grassy knoll, regardles of the evidence to the contrary. .KFing someone
is a perfectly acceptable rhetorical method, whether it has your stamp of
approval or not.

--
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