"cl" wrote in message
...
"It is via pansy liberal beliefs that our boys are still getting killed over
there."

Those who hold "pansy liberal beliefs" would not have invaded Iraq in the
first place. They probably would've invaded somewhere useful like the
Saudis. They'd have a popular support there.

"The military is not a police force or pacifier yet that is the role being
placed on them."

Yet it isn't the "pansy liberals" placing them in that role.

"You will never win a war if the requirement is to turn the conquered people
into a bunch of petal throwing hippies."

What an ignorant statement.

"Likewise you can never fully prepare for a natural disaster, it just isn't
reality."

No, but you can make sure your President isn't adventuring abroad with the
nation's resources. In fact, you can make sure he can respond at home
before he responds abroad. Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country has sunk
under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis storm to
have so much misery untended in the aftermath.


XOXO,

-CAL

Larry wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:48:29 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:


"Issued by the Department of Homeland Security in January, the national
response plan gives the agency [Homeland Security] the authority to
synchronize all federal assistance, from the Federal Emergency
Management Agency to the Health and Human Services Department and the
Pentagon. It is put into motion when local and state authorities can no
longer manage an emergency on their own"



I guess I don't read enough.

No, you didn't.

Is the Pentagon run by Homeland
Security?


You didn't even read what I quoted. I'll quote it again:

"Issued by the Department of Homeland Security in January, the national
response plan gives the agency [Homeland Security] the authority to
synchronize all federal assistance, from the Federal Emergency
Management Agency to the Health and Human Services Department and the
Pentagon."

See the last word in that sentence.

If that is too hard: For the purposes of responding to an "incident of
national significance," yes the Pentagon works for Homeland Security.

Matthew

--
"... Mr. (Gregory) LaCava, a producer-director who could be called a
genius except for the fact that Orson Welles has debased the term ...",
H. Allen Smith, "Lost in the Horse Latitudes"

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:41:25 -0700, "Dave Bugg"
wrote:

FEMA is run by homeland security? Really? Sorta like the CIA and the FBI
are run by homeland security?

"Improve National Response and Recovery Efforts by Focusing FEMA on
Its Core Functions. FEMA will report directly to the Secretary of
Homeland Security."

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0646.xml

"D. Winsor" wrote:

Those who hold "pansy liberal beliefs" would not have invaded Iraq in the
first place.

Last I heard the bleeding hearts voted for the War.


They probably would've invaded somewhere useful like the
Saudis. They'd have a popular support there.

The Iraqi reserves are nothing to sneeze about...



"The military is not a police force or pacifier yet that is the role being
placed on them."

Yet it isn't the "pansy liberals" placing them in that role.

No, they are projecting that role onto them and even more so the rest of
the world.



"You will never win a war if the requirement is to turn the conquered people
into a bunch of petal throwing hippies."
What an ignorant statement.

So you feel the objective of war is to tame the people being conquered.
I guess we need to take the "Fab Four" over there to soften the the
iraqi citizens and impose a sense of Feng Shui



"Likewise you can never fully prepare for a natural disaster, it just isn't
reality."

No, but you can make sure your President isn't adventuring abroad with the
nation's resources.

Like sending money to London, Thialand, etc?


In fact, you can make sure he can respond at home
before he responds abroad.

You don't understand the organizational structure of our country very
well do you? I guess you opine that the green berets should now be
taught home economics an construction? Yeaah, nothing like a bunch of
guys taught to kill being expected to setup lemonade stands and build
retaining walls. In regard to mismanagement of nation resources, we send
it to other countries in the time of need. I don't see the world tossing
money our way now that we have a natural disaster.

Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country has sunk
under Republican rule.
There was an awful lot of warning for thuis storm to
have so much misery untended in the aftermath.

Just like 'Fats' Domino, some people decided to stay in a city after
full warning. Understand, this is a city below sea level and it has
flooded before. The levee was built to withstand a Cat3 store and evac
warnings were given well in advance. It is unfortunate that false alerts
were given in the past so people decided to not leave thinking it would
be the same as before. This has nothing to do with our President. It is
the price one pays to live in an area that built on a poor foundation.

BTW, New Orleans was the one sinking, not the country, literally. If
you build on a sand bar, things aren't nice when the waves come it and
the footing is placed on silt.

Dave Bugg wrote:

Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.

Your "points" are well regurgitatated, but you really should broaden you
reading material. Many people inside the current administration have
made statements essentially the same as the ones I made. They are not
controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your news from FOX
and Limbaugh.
Snip
At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

Matthew

Too bad you don't understand facts.
Next thing you'll be telling us is Bush planned this to eradicate
the blacks. LOL
Talk about racist here is a link to a lib. page that I'm shure these freaks just eat up
The reason I'm posting this link is so normal folks see how insane these america
hating freaks think

Maybe Bush should just spend his time ripping investors off, getting hummers from little girls,
tossing bombs at asprin factorys and just simply ignore the safty of our country.
Oh wait sombody has already done that.
If you liberal pukes hate this country so much maybe you should just move to France.

Dave Bugg wrote:

Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.

Your "points" are well regurgitatated, but you really should broaden you
reading material. Many people inside the current administration have
made statements essentially the same as the ones I made. They are not
controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your news from FOX
and Limbaugh.
Snip
At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

Matthew

Too bad you don't understand facts.
Next thing you'll be telling us is Bush planned this to eradicate
the blacks. LOL
Talk about racist here is a link to a lib. page that I'm shure these freaks just eat up
The reason I'm posting this link is so normal folks see how insane these america
hating freaks think

Maybe Bush should just spend his time ripping investors off, getting hummers from little girls,
tossing bombs at asprin factorys and just simply ignore the safty of our country.
Oh wait sombody has already done that.
If you liberal pukes hate this country so much maybe you should just move to France.







**********End Of Post*************
Oops forgot the link
http://slate.msn.com/id/2124688/

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:
Harry Demidavicius wrote:

Where are the field hospitals, Porta potties, Kitchens?

Those we have. The National Guard and Military Reserve, which would
normally be delivering them are over stretched, either in Afghanistan or
Iraq or supporting the efforts there.

America has all those things squirreled away in their armed forces
reservoir of supplies. What about lodgings for the next 24
days/weeks/ months ? Who's in charge of Forward Planning?
Any kind of planning?
What a mess!

There seems to be as much preparedness for this disaster as there was
preparedness for military victory in Iraq.

I feel for all those folks.

As do I. I will make my donations in support of this effort. The folks
in charge of Federal disaster relief are the same ones in charge of
Homeland Security. This does not give me a warm, comfortable feeling.

I think it would be best if I keep out of this thread beyond this point!

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled War on Terror Veterans and
their families:
http://saluteheroes.org/ & http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/

Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:04:59 GMT, wrote:

Dave Bugg wrote:

Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.

Your "points" are well regurgitatated, but you really should broaden you
reading material. Many people inside the current administration have
made statements essentially the same as the ones I made. They are not
controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your news from FOX
and Limbaugh.
Snip
At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

Matthew

Too bad you don't understand facts.
Next thing you'll be telling us is Bush planned this to eradicate
the blacks. LOL
Talk about racist here is a link to a lib. page that I'm shure these freaks just eat up
The reason I'm posting this link is so normal folks see how insane these america
hating freaks think

Maybe Bush should just spend his time ripping investors off, getting hummers from little girls,
tossing bombs at asprin factorys and just simply ignore the safty of our country.
Oh wait sombody has already done that.
If you liberal pukes hate this country so much maybe you should just move to France.

Fix your newsreader, bozo, so that it quotes correctly. You'll still
be killfiled for being an ignorant ditto-head, but at least your
newsreader will quote correctly.

cl wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

There seems to be as much preparedness for this disaster as there was
preparedness for military victory in Iraq.

What an ignorant statement.

Don't mistaken the inability of the Iraqis to govern themselves as a
failure of the US military. The joint was taken over swiftly and
decidedly. Lawlessness of the populus is not a military issue, just a
costly hinderance. It is via pansy liberal beliefs that our boys are
still getting killed over there. The military is not a police force or
pacifier yet that is the role being placed on them. You will never win a
war if the requirement is to turn the conquered people into a bunch of
petal throwing hippies. Likewise you can never fully prepare for a
natural disaster, it just isn't reality.

XOXO,

I hope that any looters among those being bussed from New Orleans to Texas
are aware that the Lone Star State has a "Shoot to kill" policy for looters
and is a Right To Carry Concealed state. Maybe unaware would be better!

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled War on Terror Veterans and
their families:
http://saluteheroes.org/ & http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/

Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !

A Lib posted:
Fix your newsreader, bozo, so that it quotes correctly. You'll still
be killfiled for being an ignorant ditto-head, but at least your
newsreader will quote correctly.

Maybe you should learn how to read/post on usenet.
Should I top post? Hmm No. Maybe use outlook? Hmm No again.
Oh Oh I know I should use Forte. Hmmm NOT.
Just like a Lib. to think everything they do is correct and everybody else is wrong.

Go ahead and put me on you KF. I've been on usenet much longer than you & your kind
that have been spouting socialism and bio ethics .

It's funny how these freaks want to KF others who don't agree with there sick ideas.

I do have to say that this thing has gone way off topic.
I apologize to the orig. poster since I allowed
myself to be sucked into resonding to a liberal looser who should just leave our country.

Did you ever make the chicks?

"D. Winsor" wrote

Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country has sunk
under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis storm
to
have so much misery untended in the aftermath.


How many ****ing years have the levees remained unmodified?

How many years did they live hurricane free?

40 I think is the answer to the first question. This would place the blame
squarely on Democratic shoulders.

That's tongue in cheek of course as it's no political party's fault that
Nawlins is a poor city built in a hole.

I just know Kevvie is waiting with baited breath for me to say it.

You know what I mean Kevvie. Ask me nicely and maybe I'll give you what you
want.


TFM®

TFM® wrote:
"D. Winsor" wrote

Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country
has sunk
under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis
storm to
have so much misery untended in the aftermath.


How many ****ing years have the levees remained unmodified?

How many years did they live hurricane free?

40 I think is the answer to the first question. This would place
the blame
squarely on Democratic shoulders.

That's tongue in cheek of course as it's no political party's fault
that
Nawlins is a poor city built in a hole.

I just know Kevvie is waiting with baited breath for me to say it.

You know what I mean Kevvie. Ask me nicely and maybe I'll give you
what you
want.


TFM®

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/1282151.html

--
Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

wrote in message

Go ahead and put me on you KF. I've been on usenet much longer than you &
your kind
that have been spouting socialism and bio ethics .

So senile dementia is your excuse then? We're so sorry, it's not nice to
pick on the or addled. You should have told us sooner.

Matthew L. Martin wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:

Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.

Your "points" are well regurgitatated,

As are yours.

but you really should broaden
you reading material.

To what, the New York Times. Without any evidence to the contrary, you
divert the drivel you spout to an attempt to denigrate my information
sources? How patronizing.

Many people inside the current administration
have made statements essentially the same as the ones I made.

Not really. You have pulled things way out of meaning.

are not controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your
news from FOX and Limbaugh.

No, but Air America appears to be your bed buddy.

FEMA is run by homeland security? Really? Sorta like the CIA and
the FBI are run by homeland security?



http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1152&slug=Katrina% 20Homeland%20Security


Seattle PI..... now THAT'S a balanced source..... NOT.

At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

No, you didn't. You simply regurgitated liberal pablum. Homeland Security is
a coordinating federal umbrella of agencies. It's mission is to develop
priorities for emergency responses to a variety of national crises, and to
act as a clearing house for domestic and international intelligence. It does
not operate those agencies, which is what you have tried to state. Each
agency responds to the priorities as it sees fit. But of course you knew
that.


--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

"Issued by the Department of Homeland Security in January, the
national response plan gives the agency [Homeland Security] the
authority to ----synchronize---- all federal assistance,

You'd better figger out what "synchronize" means in govt. speak. In fact,
quit relying on the media as you sole guide to your (lack of) knowledge
base. It has nothing to do with usurping individual agencies autonomy. Try
giving FEMA a call, and ask THEM how Homeland Security functions within
FEMAs structure and mission.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/