"Darkginger" wrote in message
...

"Graeme...in London" wrote

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are a small handful of us
that
can "hot smoke" upside the best of you! (well perhaps your average Qers)


Ahem. I did mention that I use a Weber to cook lamb joints.... mind you,
the
original reason I bought it was so that I had a cover to put over the food
when the rain came down as it usually does in an Irish summer... Only
discovered other uses for it later!

I would like to point one thing out, our raw ingredients are far
superior,
lacking the quintessential addition of growth hormone, which the
Americans
seem to love.

Bleah. No idea if what you say is true (about US meat) or not, but I don't
fancy it much if you're right!


You couldn't tell the difference between beef with growth hormones compared
to that without.

I can certainly tell grain-fed beef from all pretenders. I will be glad to
go back to a much more beef intensive diet in a month or so.

--
Jefferson

"But it's hard as hell not to be some kind of redneck bigot sometimes..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"95% of the 100 rudest people I've encountered in the last year have been
middle-aged black women. It just strikes me as unfortunately
disproportionate..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"As I predicted, the General Assembly will vote to take down the flag from
the dome of the State House and the boycott organized by the NAACP
will continue because they won't be happy until the memory of the
Confederacy is erased from our cultural landscape. I'm holding out hope
that removal of the flag and subsequent continuation of economic sanctions
will reveal the NAACP for what it is; but somehow I doubt it..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"All this over the supposed moral outrage over an institution slowly dying
of its own weight anyway (and countenanced in the North even after the
so-called Emancipation Proclamation)."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I hope it isn't racist of me to point out that some white Southerners, even
some slave owners, treated blacks as fellow human beings. The evil
of legal ownership was indeed still present and resulted in a feeling of
superiority among whites, but not all of them were cruel and harsh.
Many of them were simply doing what they learned was proper. Remember that
the South was (and is) an extremely religious section, and the
fact remains that slavery is sanctioned and its details legislated, by the
Christian God, according to the Old Testament."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I'm not sure I see any factual errors there, however."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight, commenting on the following anti-Semitic webpage:
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/f...s98/slaves.htm

"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article , Charles Beauchamp
wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.

"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

v/r Beau

How do you know?

You won't even give less-sugar-Frosted Flakes a try...

BBQ Frosted Flakes... Hmmmm...... I wonder......


Listen Atkinsgeek I don't gotta jump off the damn Space Needle in order to
know it'll hurt me.



--


v/r Beau


I am right. Don't argue with me.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
Charles Beauchamp wrote:

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

I agree. But charcoal is a pain in the butt. It is a dirty and time
consuming to get it going. It is more expensive and more wasteful than
gas.
For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.




You commie. Charcoal doesn't take long..just 5 minutes to get going. The
secret is in the dang lighter fluid...well and a bit of gasoline..WOOHOO!!!



--


v/r Beau


I am right. Don't argue with me.

Jefferson N. Glapski wrote:
"Darkginger" wrote in message
...

"Graeme...in London" wrote

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are a small handful
of us that can "hot smoke" upside the best of you! (well perhaps
your average Qers)


Ahem. I did mention that I use a Weber to cook lamb joints.... mind
you, the original reason I bought it was so that I had a cover to
put over the food when the rain came down as it usually does in an
Irish summer... Only discovered other uses for it later!

I would like to point one thing out, our raw ingredients are far
superior, lacking the quintessential addition of growth hormone,
which the Americans seem to love.

Bleah. No idea if what you say is true (about US meat) or not, but I
don't fancy it much if you're right!


You couldn't tell the difference between beef with growth hormones
compared to that without.

I can certainly tell grain-fed beef from all pretenders. I will be
glad to go back to a much more beef intensive diet in a month or so.

I order all beef from Omaha Steaks. The beef out here tastes like plastic.

--

Geri

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
- Hillary Clinton

Sam Waring wrote:


Second that! I live in a neighborhood full of OLD pecan trees
that are always shedding twigs or branches, and generally if I keep an
eye out I can pick up pruned or wind-fallen branch systems on
trash/recycling day, no problem. I haven't bought charcoal in several
years.

If I want to grill or BBQ, I dig out the NB smoker and build a nice
newsprint/twigs/billets fire in the box, then just keep it fed. The
ashes smell better than charcoal ashes do next day when I go to clean
out the firebox, too.

--
Sam Waring

Y!M the_curmudgn; AIM TheCurmudgn

"A good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole
that knows how to read."
--Terry Pratchett


Holy Cow!! Talk about a blast from the past!! Where, and how, have you
been, Sam??

Boli

In article , Cornhuskeress
says...

I can certainly tell grain-fed beef from all pretenders. I will be
glad to go back to a much more beef intensive diet in a month or so.

I order all beef from Omaha Steaks. The beef out here tastes like plastic.

It is plastic - or at least tofu, which is pretty much the same thing.




Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs

Jon Russell, the CheeseHusker

"Charles Beauchamp" wrote in message
...
"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article , Charles Beauchamp
wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
weekend
to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.

"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a
wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says
gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near
the
fire anyways.

v/r Beau

How do you know?

You won't even give less-sugar-Frosted Flakes a try...

BBQ Frosted Flakes... Hmmmm...... I wonder......


I bet it would not be without its charms - after all, starchy foods usually
kick ass when they take a little smoke.

--
Jefferson

"But it's hard as hell not to be some kind of redneck bigot sometimes..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"95% of the 100 rudest people I've encountered in the last year have been
middle-aged black women. It just strikes me as unfortunately
disproportionate..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"As I predicted, the General Assembly will vote to take down the flag from
the dome of the State House and the boycott organized by the NAACP
will continue because they won't be happy until the memory of the
Confederacy is erased from our cultural landscape. I'm holding out hope
that removal of the flag and subsequent continuation of economic sanctions
will reveal the NAACP for what it is; but somehow I doubt it..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"All this over the supposed moral outrage over an institution slowly dying
of its own weight anyway (and countenanced in the North even after the
so-called Emancipation Proclamation)."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I hope it isn't racist of me to point out that some white Southerners, even
some slave owners, treated blacks as fellow human beings. The evil
of legal ownership was indeed still present and resulted in a feeling of
superiority among whites, but not all of them were cruel and harsh.
Many of them were simply doing what they learned was proper. Remember that
the South was (and is) an extremely religious section, and the
fact remains that slavery is sanctioned and its details legislated, by the
Christian God, according to the Old Testament."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I'm not sure I see any factual errors there, however."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight, commenting on the following anti-Semitic webpage:
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/f...s98/slaves.htm

"Cornhuskeress" wrote in message
. com...
Jefferson N. Glapski wrote:
"Darkginger" wrote in message
...

"Graeme...in London" wrote

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are a small handful
of us that can "hot smoke" upside the best of you! (well perhaps
your average Qers)


Ahem. I did mention that I use a Weber to cook lamb joints.... mind
you, the original reason I bought it was so that I had a cover to
put over the food when the rain came down as it usually does in an
Irish summer... Only discovered other uses for it later!

I would like to point one thing out, our raw ingredients are far
superior, lacking the quintessential addition of growth hormone,
which the Americans seem to love.

Bleah. No idea if what you say is true (about US meat) or not, but I
don't fancy it much if you're right!


You couldn't tell the difference between beef with growth hormones
compared to that without.

I can certainly tell grain-fed beef from all pretenders. I will be
glad to go back to a much more beef intensive diet in a month or so.

I order all beef from Omaha Steaks. The beef out here tastes like
plastic.


Corn fed crap is still corn fed crap.

--
Jefferson

"But it's hard as hell not to be some kind of redneck bigot sometimes..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"95% of the 100 rudest people I've encountered in the last year have been
middle-aged black women. It just strikes me as unfortunately
disproportionate..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"As I predicted, the General Assembly will vote to take down the flag from
the dome of the State House and the boycott organized by the NAACP
will continue because they won't be happy until the memory of the
Confederacy is erased from our cultural landscape. I'm holding out hope
that removal of the flag and subsequent continuation of economic sanctions
will reveal the NAACP for what it is; but somehow I doubt it..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"All this over the supposed moral outrage over an institution slowly dying
of its own weight anyway (and countenanced in the North even after the
so-called Emancipation Proclamation)."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I hope it isn't racist of me to point out that some white Southerners, even
some slave owners, treated blacks as fellow human beings. The evil
of legal ownership was indeed still present and resulted in a feeling of
superiority among whites, but not all of them were cruel and harsh.
Many of them were simply doing what they learned was proper. Remember that
the South was (and is) an extremely religious section, and the
fact remains that slavery is sanctioned and its details legislated, by the
Christian God, according to the Old Testament."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I'm not sure I see any factual errors there, however."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight, commenting on the following anti-Semitic webpage:
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/f...s98/slaves.htm

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:04:54 -0500 (EST), Steve
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:
-Charles Beauchamp wrote:
-
- There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
- answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
- over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
- fire anyways.
-
-I agree. But charcoal is a pain in the butt. It is a dirty and time
-consuming to get it going. It is more expensive and more wasteful than gas.
-For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.

Nonsense. Charcoal takes about 3 seconds to be ready to cook.
Here's proof:

1. A pictu http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/grill.jpg
2. The explanation: http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/

scroll down to 'Hobbies and other interests'

Most of us donut have a spare Dewar for the LOX.
--
"The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its
credibility. And vice versa."
-Lazarus Long

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:07:38 GMT, wrote:

Darkginger wrote:

"Jeff" wrote

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.


In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an outside grill.

As it is in a lot of the USA.

And a "barbecue" is often just an outdoor party where grilled food
(mostly hamburger and hot dogs) are going to be served.

And many people with propane grills in the US see charcoal as something
that only those that can't afford gas would use.



Gas has a place. I have a good gas grill that I use for many things.
When I get home from work and want a few chicken breasts for a salad
for instance, I have no qualms about using the gas grill.

But you can't make good barbecue on a gas grill. You can stuff a oven
full of cats, but that doesn't make them entrees.

For me, barbecue is meat that is cooked for an extended period of
time and at lower temperature using wood or wood products like lump
charcoal.

I'm proud of the barbecue I prepare. Would it be easier, cleaner,
etc. to use a grill? Yep, it sure would be. Would I call it barbecue
and serve it my freinds. Hell no. I don't make, eat, or condone
passing off "broilerque" as the real deal.

That's my two cents worth.

"BKahuna" wrote in message

You can stuff a oven
full of cats, but that doesn't make them entrees.


Well of course not, silly. You need some sauce to make them into an entree.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"BKahuna" wrote in message

You can stuff a oven
full of cats, but that doesn't make them entrees.


Well of course not, silly. You need some sauce to make them into an
entree.

LOL!!!

I have a high quality gas grill, but recently bought a "Smoky Joe", because
cooking on the gas grill was about like cooking inside.

I've tried wood chips, but I must not be waiting long enough. How long
(approximate) do the wet wood chips have to heat?

Well-chosen wood chips used in a quality gas grill with proper
vaporization...

"texpat" wrote in message
news:VnhGc.36109$Lh.19809@okepread01...

I've tried wood chips, but I must not be waiting long enough. How long
(approximate) do the wet wood chips have to heat?


Perhaps they are too wet? Or not close enough tot he heat? In the wrong
type container?

A tuna fish can with a foil cover works. Just poke a few small holes the
the cover. It should be very close to the flame.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:07:15 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"texpat" wrote in message
news:VnhGc.36109$Lh.19809@okepread01...

I've tried wood chips, but I must not be waiting long enough. How long
(approximate) do the wet wood chips have to heat?


Perhaps they are too wet? Or not close enough tot he heat? In the wrong
type container?

A tuna fish can with a foil cover works. Just poke a few small holes the
the cover. It should be very close to the flame.

Container? Ooops, my bad. I just put the chips on the coals. It
made smoke : I drained the chips in a sieve for about 10 minutes
(shaking occasionally to get water off) before putting them on the
coals.

Why do we need a container?

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!