On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

Steve Cutchen wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:

In article , Chris and Bob
Neidecker wrote:

"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02, StephenJ
wrote:

"suburban yuppies"

Christian Muslims?

Miami Gators?

yup == young URBAN professionals


I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"


A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it was
definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city and
resurrecting older neighborhoods.

In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing teardowns
in West U.

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

In article , Charles Beauchamp
wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.

"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

v/r Beau

How do you know?

You won't even give less-sugar-Frosted Flakes a try...

BBQ Frosted Flakes... Hmmmm...... I wonder......

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

Steve Cutchen wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:

In article , Chris and Bob
Neidecker wrote:

"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02, StephenJ
wrote:

"suburban yuppies"

Christian Muslims?

Miami Gators?

yup == young URBAN professionals


I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"


A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it
was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city
and resurrecting older neighborhoods.

In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing
teardowns in West U.

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!


yuppie

n : a young upwardly mobile professional person; someone under 40 who
prospered during the 1980s



That's me.

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Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
James Schrumpf !

Jeff wrote in
news:Xns951B5FF574D90Clockwork@ 69.56.199.58:

As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
weekend to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt
- not about politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.

"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke
flavor, you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven
Raichlen, author of 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling
cookbooks.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

This is true. Even Hank Hill, purveyor of "clean burning,
efficient propane", admitted as much in the "naked cookout"
episode.

That being said, for pure ease of cooking, nothing beats gas.

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

"Jeff" wrote

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.

In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an outside grill.
Burned sausages are quintessential British Isles style barbecue. No summer
is complete without them. I tried to show friends that it was possible to
cook a leg of lamb in a Weber, but that's just 'fancy stuff' around here!

Jo


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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 02:51:09 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

Steve Cutchen wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:

In article , Chris and Bob
Neidecker wrote:

"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02, StephenJ
wrote:

"suburban yuppies"

Christian Muslims?

Miami Gators?

yup == young URBAN professionals


I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"


A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it
was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city
and resurrecting older neighborhoods.

In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing
teardowns in West U.

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!


yuppie

n : a young upwardly mobile professional person; someone under 40 who
prospered during the 1980s

That's me.

I can do that too!

n: a young urban professional.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
"Darkginger" !

"Jeff" wrote

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.

In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an
outside grill. Burned sausages are quintessential British Isles
style barbecue. No summer is complete without them. I tried to
show friends that it was possible to cook a leg of lamb in a
Weber, but that's just 'fancy stuff' around here!

Yes, well, that's why Christopher Columbus put you Godless heathens
to his rudder, ne'er to return. Uncultured, the lot o' ya.

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

Charles Beauchamp wrote:

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

I agree. But charcoal is a pain in the butt. It is a dirty and time
consuming to get it going. It is more expensive and more wasteful than gas.
For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.

Curly Sue wrote:



Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sorry Sue, but when it fist came out, it didn't mention urban. I live in a
rural area that is, sadly, full of yuppies.

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 09:57:50 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:

Curly Sue wrote:

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sorry Sue, but when it fist came out, it didn't mention urban. I live in a
rural area that is, sadly, full of yuppies.

Sorry Dave but when it first came out it certainly was "urban." There
was a debate over "yumpie" for "young, upwardly-mobile" but that was
too close to some other unattractive term ("yomp," or something like
that).

"upwardly-mobile" doesn't add much to the term anyway. One would hope
that all young professionals are upwardly-mobile or, perhaps, have
even arrived. I can see, however, that since the lifestyle has
spread, there has to be a way to include non-urban, young
professionals in the term, so "upwardly-mobile" becomes a good fudge.
Of course, if you're talking about farmers out there in your rural
area, then it would have to be YUMFs :

I think it's interesting that James embraces "yuppie" to describe
himself, yet you (and a lot of other people) seem to dislike them. I
never understood what the problem was/is with yuppies as a group. :

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

we wouldn't switch back to charcoal ...............................

--
rosie
http://www.michaelmoore.com/











"Jeff" wrote in message
...
: As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
weekend
: to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
: politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
:
: "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
: you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
: 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
:
: http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
:
: --
: Cheers,
: --Jeff

In article , Dave Smith
wrote:

Charles Beauchamp wrote:

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

I agree.

OK, so you agree.

But charcoal is a pain in the butt.

That's a point of agreement?

It is a dirty and time consuming to get it going.

More damned faint praise?

It is more expensive and more wasteful than gas.

??!??!?!??!?!???!!!!

For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.

There you have it folks, convenience trumps taste!
Whatta yutz. This guy almost makes cl(it) and Kunt sound smart.


monroe(rfc'ers -- go figger...)

Darkginger wrote:

"Jeff" wrote

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.


In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an outside grill.

As it is in a lot of the USA.

And a "barbecue" is often just an outdoor party where grilled food
(mostly hamburger and hot dogs) are going to be served.

And many people with propane grills in the US see charcoal as something
that only those that can't afford gas would use.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
Charles Beauchamp wrote:

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

I agree. But charcoal is a pain in the butt. It is a dirty and time
consuming to get it going. It is more expensive and more wasteful than
gas.
For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.

What you're basically saying is you're lazy and don't want to do more than
turn on the stove.

Why don't you just go to Burger King and get their "flame broiled" burger?
That's even easier than turning on that gas stove and wasting all that time
cooking.

Kathy

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 02:51:09 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
wrote:

Steve Cutchen wrote in
news:030720041437368822% :

In article , Chris and
Bob Neidecker wrote:

"Steve Cutchen" wrote in message
...
In article IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02, StephenJ
wrote:

"suburban yuppies"

Christian Muslims?

Miami Gators?

yup == young URBAN professionals


I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"


A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time
it was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the
city and resurrecting older neighborhoods.

In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing
teardowns in West U.

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!


yuppie

n : a young upwardly mobile professional person; someone under 40 who
prospered during the 1980s

That's me.

I can do that too!

n: a young urban professional.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Are we talking about the original usage? If so, consider the following
from a former Gary Hart campaigner:

"I worked on the Gary Hart campaign in 1984 and the media was looking
for a way to describe the people who were attracted to his politics.
The term Yumpy - which later became Yuppie - was coined. Over time the
term's definition changed until a 1987 poll found that most "yuppies"
did not agree with Gary Hart's politics.

"Gary hadn't changed, the definition of Yuppie did."

Note the original term was "Yumpy", which is because the term was an
abbreviation of Young Upwardly Mobile Professional.

I don't dispute that the current definition may well be Young Urban
Professional (but what about Young Rural Professionals?), but the
original usage was as I say.

--
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James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net

"PC Load Letter"? What the @&*% does THAT mean?!