Hi and a big WELCOME to AFB. :-) In order to get a flavor of what this
newsgroup spends most of its time talking about, please read the FAQ which
is located at:
http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html

It is the best single-source document on traditional barbecue that I've yet
to see. And that's what this NG is primarily focused on... traditional
methods of BBQ.

Most of us also use gas grills -- I myself use a Weber Genesis
from time-to-time -- so grilling and other forms of outdoor cooking
are sometimes talked about. It's just not the main focus for most
of us here.

This is a primary hang-out for a lot of hard-core BBQ "purists", and it's
the main theme of this NG. So if you're a griller, and you have a recipe for
ribs or pork which you think of as "bbq", don't be surprised or upset if we
attempt to "show you the light". :-)

The FAQ will help you understand the differences between grilling and
barbecue, and why we will try to pull gas-grillers toward the light of real
'Q, and why we may use gentle corrections to wrongly-used terminology.
Hopefully this post will help you avoid getting your feathered underwear
into a ruffled knot, because we really want you to stay. And you may just
decide that you need to set the gasser aside for hot dogs, hamburgers,
and steaks, while picking up a wood-fired pit to 'Q the stuff dreams are
made of.

Best and Warm Regards to y'all. BG

HINT: Trimming the posts to which you respond to, along with bottom or
interleaved posting, is what we all prefer here.

Dave

Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is barbecue
just as much as smoking is.
"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote in message
...
Hi and a big WELCOME to AFB. :-) In order to get a flavor of what this
newsgroup spends most of its time talking about, please read the FAQ which
is located at:
http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html

It is the best single-source document on traditional barbecue that I've
yet
to see. And that's what this NG is primarily focused on... traditional
methods of BBQ.

Most of us also use gas grills -- I myself use a Weber Genesis
from time-to-time -- so grilling and other forms of outdoor cooking
are sometimes talked about. It's just not the main focus for most
of us here.

This is a primary hang-out for a lot of hard-core BBQ "purists", and it's
the main theme of this NG. So if you're a griller, and you have a recipe
for
ribs or pork which you think of as "bbq", don't be surprised or upset if
we
attempt to "show you the light". :-)

The FAQ will help you understand the differences between grilling and
barbecue, and why we will try to pull gas-grillers toward the light of
real
'Q, and why we may use gentle corrections to wrongly-used terminology.
Hopefully this post will help you avoid getting your feathered underwear
into a ruffled knot, because we really want you to stay. And you may just
decide that you need to set the gasser aside for hot dogs, hamburgers,
and steaks, while picking up a wood-fired pit to 'Q the stuff dreams are
made of.

Best and Warm Regards to y'all. BG

HINT: Trimming the posts to which you respond to, along with bottom or
interleaved posting, is what we all prefer here.

Dave

You have much to learn, grasshopper, and little inclination to sit at the
feet of the masters. There is no tao in your gas grill and you shall never
know the smoke and magic of true Q. Maybe in your next incarnation you will
learn the tao of Q firsthand as a pig.

JD

"steve" wrote in message

Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.
"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote in message
...
Hi and a big WELCOME to AFB. :-) In order to get a flavor of what
this newsgroup spends most of its time talking about, please read
the FAQ which is located at:
http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html

It is the best single-source document on traditional barbecue that
I've yet to see. And that's what this NG is primarily focused on...
traditional methods of BBQ.

Most of us also use gas grills -- I myself use a Weber Genesis
from time-to-time -- so grilling and other forms of outdoor cooking
are sometimes talked about. It's just not the main focus for most
of us here.

This is a primary hang-out for a lot of hard-core BBQ "purists", and
it's the main theme of this NG. So if you're a griller, and you have
a recipe for ribs or pork which you think of as "bbq", don't be
surprised or upset if we attempt to "show you the light". :-)

The FAQ will help you understand the differences between grilling and
barbecue, and why we will try to pull gas-grillers toward the light
of real 'Q, and why we may use gentle corrections to wrongly-used
terminology. Hopefully this post will help you avoid getting your
feathered underwear into a ruffled knot, because we really want you
to stay. And you may just decide that you need to set the gasser
aside for hot dogs, hamburgers, and steaks, while picking up a
wood-fired pit to 'Q the stuff dreams are made of.

Best and Warm Regards to y'all. BG

HINT: Trimming the posts to which you respond to, along with bottom
or interleaved posting, is what we all prefer here.

Dave

steve wrote:
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.

Sure it is. And why are you wishing to impose YOUR deinition of BBQ.....
Oh, that's right, you're a troll. Never mind, no need to continue.

"steve" wrote:

"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote in message
[ . . . ]read the FAQ which is located at:
http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html
[ . . . ]
This is a primary hang-out for a lot of hard-core BBQ "purists", and
it's the main theme of this NG.

HINT: Trimming the posts to which you respond to, along with bottom or
interleaved posting, is what we all prefer here.

Dave

Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.

Steve, it appears to me that you didn't read Dave's post nor the FAQ. He
didn't seek to impose his definition of BBQ, he pointed out what this NG is
primarily focused on... traditional methods of BBQ. I don't recall any of
the regular posters here disagreeing and if they did, we'd damn well hear
about it! He observed that if you're a griller, and you have a recipe
for ribs or pork which you think of as "bbq", don't be surprised or upset
if we attempt to "show you the light". :-) The FAQ will help you
understand the differences between grilling and barbecue. Allez Qzine!

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

steve wrote:
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.

Ah, grasshopper, you have much to learn.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

"steve" wrote in message
...
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue
just as much as smoking is.

What you don't like Dave's big welcome and self proclaimed truth?

Actually, it is a good thing he is trying to do but the 'group jacking' is a
bit much. The assumption that anyone disagreeing with him or his K' crew is
a gas griller exclusively is really a hoot. Yes smoking (not all forms) and
grilling are barbecue.



-CAL

"cl" wrote:
"steve" wrote in message
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.

What you don't like Dave's big welcome and self proclaimed truth?

Actually, it is a good thing he is trying to do but the 'group jacking'
is a bit much. The assumption that anyone disagreeing with him or his K'
crew is a gas griller exclusively is really a hoot. Yes smoking (not all
forms) and grilling are barbecue.

sigh

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

In article ,
wrote:

"cl" wrote:
"steve" wrote in message
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue just as much as smoking is.

What you don't like Dave's big welcome and self proclaimed truth?

Actually, it is a good thing he is trying to do but the 'group jacking'
is a bit much. The assumption that anyone disagreeing with him or his K'
crew is a gas griller exclusively is really a hoot. Yes smoking (not all
forms) and grilling are barbecue.

sigh

Yep - c(aca) l(oco) rips another smelly one.
Ain't it great havin' him around?

monroe(got whiners need cheesers)

"Monroe, of course..." wrote in message
...
Yep - c(aca) l(oco) rips another smelly one.
Ain't it great havin' him around?

monroe(got whiners need cheesers)

I bet you like it when Miranda makes you be her bitch.

It is almost a paradox that you have me killfiled yet you seem to still
troll me. I know, you admire my ability to stand up to the lady who keeps
your 'nads in the freezer. One day you willl break free, have hope....WTF I
must be insane, that won't happen.

-CAL(oves to remind monroe he is lucky he has her to take up for him)

cl wrote:

What you don't like Dave's big welcome and self proclaimed truth?

Actually, it is a good thing he is trying to do but the 'group
jacking' is a bit much. The assumption that anyone disagreeing with
him or his K' crew is a gas griller exclusively is really a hoot.
Yes smoking (not all forms) and grilling are barbecue.

You know, I thought we got passed the "K" thing. Or the fact that simply
because folks argree or disagree with someone is not an issue of gangspeak.
If you want to forward your opinions, fine, but stop trying to target me in
order to put out your views. FYI, I started putting out the "big welcome"
two years ago, after I posted the text for critique and review. The post
received a thumbs up from virtually everyone, and so I proceded to post it;
of and on. And so it will continue. Sorry it upsets you. Feel free to
create your own "big welcome" and post it.
Dave

"steve" wrote in message
...
Stop imposing YOUR definition of barbecue on everone. Grilling is
barbecue
just as much as smoking is.


No it is not. Dave is right and you are wrong.

cl wrote:
However you know that certain subjects are taboo and
subject to disagreement. The act of posting a newbie fact addressing
those topics is in fact trying to set the standard for the group. snip
Can't you see how that would be a turnoff to some?


A person wanders into a clearly marked butcher shop, asks for advice
about vegetables, and when the butcher says, "I can only tell you a very
little about that, my expertise is in the area of meats. Why don't you
ask the folks at the farmer's market, three blocks down on the left,"
the person takes offense.

Just some thoughts from one point of view....those tired of hearing the
10 millionth iteration of this discussion should immediately pass this
posting by....

Barbecue goes back to traditions of cooking whole hogs or at least
primal cuts of meat directly over wood coals. To "go to a barbecue" was
as much to gather around and enjoy the spectacle of the cooking process
in the company of friends as it was to sit at a table and be fed. The
meats involved were capable of feeding lots of people, and they were
cheap meats that wouldn't likely show up on a millionaire's dinner
table. They typically needed to be cooked a long time to be made tender
palatable, so a lower cooking temp than you'd use for a standing rib
roast was needed in order to prevent overcooking and drying out. Given
the long cooking times and use of wood (coals), a fair part of the art
of barbecue understood in this way involved *not* letting the meat
become unpleasantly heavily smoke-flabored. Lots of different regions of
the USA have different traditions in this regard, but the direct cooking
over wood coals, the large cheap primal cut of meat that requires long
cooking, and the idea that the lengthy outdoor cooking process is itself
a festive occasion of enjoyment seem to be constant.

IMHO, what some of us (myself included) are doing today, in the way of
barbecue, is related to the meaning given above, about the way "model
rocketry" is related to sending satellites into space. We're trying to
enjoy both the traditional barbecue process, and the results, but in a
way suited to the kinds of things liable to work in our back yards. We
use smokers that only heat the meat directly in order to simulate the
low-heat conditions of traditional barbecue...we use charcoal, and add
wood chunks or chips to simulate the slow, sweet smoke that would rise
from wood burned down to coals...we often use smaller cuts of meat like
picnic shoulders and butts, smaller than what was originally considered
"barbecue".... So as I see it, although people like myself are not
exactly doing "barbecue" as I understand the term, but a scaled-down
hobbyist's version of it, nevertheless, grilling a t-bone steak just
doesn't have very much to do with what we're up to.

One of the main things that will decide what a person means by
"barbecue" is whether they're regarding the process, or the result, as
the main object of their enjoyment. If you're way over on the "result"
extreme, if you can figure out a way to make a brisket as good as the
finest smoked brisket in texas, in a microwave oven, you'll be
satisfied, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't doubt that,
without leaving the kitchen, there are cooks who could accomplish
something like that, in a way that would pass the most stringent
blindfold taste-comparison test. I'm way over on the process side. I
enjoy fumbling around with my coals and wood chunks and smoking devices
and techniques, and even if I knew how to produce a better tasting
brisket in the oven (which I don't), I'd keep after what I'm calling
"barbecue" because I enjoy the process of doing it, the "chase".

Douglas Barber wrote:

cl wrote:
However you know that certain subjects are taboo and
subject to disagreement. The act of posting a newbie fact addressing
those topics is in fact trying to set the standard for the group. snip
Can't you see how that would be a turnoff to some?


A person wanders into a clearly marked butcher shop, asks for advice
about vegetables, and when the butcher says, "I can only tell you a very
little about that, my expertise is in the area of meats. Why don't you
ask the folks at the farmer's market, three blocks down on the left,"
the person takes offense.


You do however have a mix here.
Now if a person goes to the butcher shop and then tell the butcher how
to cut the meat? Not everyone comes here to be taught.

-CAL