"People who live in apartments or condos might want to grill their
burgers sooner rather than later, because outdoor barbecues will be
banned on the decks of many buildings across the state beginning July
1.

Beginning July 1, new building codes prohibit the use of open-flame
gas or charcoal barbecues around balconies unless there is a sprinkler
overhead. The rules apply to multifamily residential buildings, which
are defined as three or more attached units."

Rest of the story:

http://www.tdn.com/articles/2004/06/...ews/news05.txt

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
"People who live in apartments or condos might want to grill their
burgers sooner rather than later, because outdoor barbecues will be
banned on the decks of many buildings across the state beginning July
1.


Oh thank you Mother government for looking after us...for we are incapable
of caring for ourselves.

I'm surprised the greedy *******s didn't consider a fire safety tax on the
sales of all grill related products, instead. They could have used the extra
money to provide State run barbecues for the homeless in Pioneer Square.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
"People who live in apartments or condos might want to grill their
burgers sooner rather than later, because outdoor barbecues will be
banned on the decks of many buildings across the state beginning July
1.


Oh thank you Mother government for looking after us...for we are
incapable of caring for ourselves.

I'm surprised the greedy *******s didn't consider a fire safety tax on the
sales of all grill related products, instead. They could have used the extra
revenue to provide State run barbecues for the homeless in Pioneer Square.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

"F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote in message
...

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
"People who live in apartments or condos might want to grill their
burgers sooner rather than later, because outdoor barbecues will be
banned on the decks of many buildings across the state beginning July
1.


Oh thank you Mother government for looking after us...for we are
incapable of caring for ourselves.

I'm surprised the greedy *******s didn't consider a fire safety tax on the
sales of all grill related products, instead. They could have used the
extra
revenue to provide State run barbecues for the homeless in Pioneer
Square.

Horny Hobbit,

I can see the ad for the barbecue now, "Rumplemintz marinated Long Pig in
Pioneer Square" or maybe Dave Bugg could have a breakfast special of "Houch
flavored Hobo hash"; opps you said "for the homeless" not "of the homeless"
my bad. I though you had a solution to the problem but you were just
complaining about it. I don't have a answer or axe to grind about it. Wife
and I are looking for a person to live in our mobile home and some cash in
exchange for helping around the holy compound while I am under the weather.
But after two weeks of running the ad I am giving up. Too many burners and
tweakers wanting a place to crash and burn. I am going to instead talk to
the Bishop and see if he can come up with someone needing help.

--
Master Chef Richard Campbell
100% Delightfully Evil for Your Protection

Steve Wertz wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:43:17 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:


Beginning July 1, new building codes prohibit the use of open-flame
gas or charcoal barbecues around balconies unless there is a sprinkler
overhead.


Would a water smoker that just kinda smolders be considered
"open-flame"?

-sw

Not sure, but a flame-thrower to hold the building inspector at bay, if
not also used to cook food intended to be eaten, is probably not
prohibited under this particular ordinance.

Not sure, either, what the real impact of such a building code item
would be. It would certainly give condo and apartment managers the
leverage they need to prohibit the devices, but I don't expect it would
apply at all to someone who's already got one installed on the deck of
their free-standing, privately-owned home. Might inhibit contractors
from installing new ones, and probably would inhibit builders from
offering them as part of a new home design. I can't imagine the police
taking a special interest in the enforcement of this particular aspect
of the building code, or any aspect of building codes, for that matter.
A ticked-off neighbor calling the building inspector prolly be your
worst worry. Not sure who'd be more likely to be capable of being bought
off in that case....

Steve Wertz wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:43:17 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:

Beginning July 1, new building codes prohibit the use of open-flame
gas or charcoal barbecues around balconies unless there is a
sprinkler overhead.

Would a water smoker that just kinda smolders be considered
"open-flame"?


You gotta think the insurance companies run the gov't. Most regulations like
these are motivated by them.

--

Duwop wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:43:17 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:


Beginning July 1, new building codes prohibit the use of open-flame
gas or charcoal barbecues around balconies unless there is a
sprinkler overhead.

Would a water smoker that just kinda smolders be considered
"open-flame"?



You gotta think the insurance companies run the gov't. Most regulations like
these are motivated by them.

Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're doing
something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't collect
insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy drove a
bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the deck which
you hadn't used since 1974....

Douglas Barber wrote:
Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're doing
something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't collect
insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy drove a
bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the deck which
you hadn't used since 1974....

Did you read the article? Or even the post?

It says " multifamily residential buildings, which are defined as three or more
attached units."

Both of your posts on this subject are referring to "your house" and
"free-standing, privately-owned home"

Neither of these fit into the new ordinance.

BOB

Douglas Barber wrote:
Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're
doing something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't
collect insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy
drove a bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the
deck which you hadn't used since 1974....

I see your point, there, Doug.
This is just another chapter in the State of Washington's book of enacting
unenforcable laws. This isn't about stopping the burning near as much as
it's about forcing the new apartment construction to install sprinklers,
etc.
If you'll notice, its all about MULTI-FAMILY dwellings that don't have
overhead sprinklers on the patio. Somehow, this is about money and taxes far
more than about safety.(trust me on this, though I haven't figgered it out
yet) Not to mention the fact that we are all morons in the eyes of the
government here in WA.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

Douglas Barber wrote:

Not sure, either, what the real impact of such a building code item
would be. It would certainly give condo and apartment managers the
leverage they need to prohibit the devices, but I don't expect it would
apply at all to someone who's already got one installed on the deck of
their free-standing, privately-owned home.

It doesn't apply to single family homes. No city legislature
would even attempt that.

"The rules apply to multifamily residential buildings, which
are defined as three or more attached units."

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:41:42 GMT, Douglas Barber
wrote:

Duwop wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:43:17 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:


Beginning July 1, new building codes prohibit the use of open-flame
gas or charcoal barbecues around balconies unless there is a
sprinkler overhead.

Would a water smoker that just kinda smolders be considered
"open-flame"?

You gotta think the insurance companies run the gov't. Most regulations like
these are motivated by them.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...rbecues04.html

"The change is buried in the massive national building codes approved
by the Washington Building Codes Council in 2003. Coordinated by the
International Code Council, a national non-profit organization charged
with creating uniform national building standards . . . "

Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're doing
something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't collect
insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy drove a
bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the deck which
you hadn't used since 1974....

"The ban does not apply to homes or complexes with fewer than four
units."

"For its part, the Seattle Police Department isn't about to spend any
time creating an aggressive, acronym-saddled team of cops to enforce
the issue. No D.O.U.S.E. No S.M.O.T.H.E.R."

"Under the law, any penalties for illegal grilling would be civil.
Nuttall said fire departments likely would only respond to complaints
and ask violators to stop wayward grilling."

Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only one in this thread who has
actually read any of these articles?

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

BOB wrote:

Douglas Barber wrote:

Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're doing
something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't collect
insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy drove a
bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the deck which
you hadn't used since 1974....


Did you read the article? Or even the post?

It says " multifamily residential buildings, which are defined as three or more
attached units."

Both of your posts on this subject are referring to "your house" and
"free-standing, privately-owned home"

Neither of these fit into the new ordinance.

BOB


I must confess, I was posting from replies without having read the
original post, and am now properly chastened...although I still like the
idea that the building code only prohibits the use of open flames to
barbecue building inspectors when your intent is to eat 'em.

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
Douglas Barber wrote:
Ah, maybe that's the catch. If your house burns down cause you're
doing something prohibited by the local fire code, maybe you don't
collect insurance....or even if your house burns down cause some guy
drove a bulldozer into it, and you happened to have a hibachi on the
deck which you hadn't used since 1974....

I see your point, there, Doug.
This is just another chapter in the State of Washington's book of enacting
unenforcable laws. This isn't about stopping the burning near as much as
it's about forcing the new apartment construction to install sprinklers,
etc.
If you'll notice, its all about MULTI-FAMILY dwellings that don't have
overhead sprinklers on the patio. Somehow, this is about money and taxes far
more than about safety.(trust me on this, though I haven't figgered it out
yet) Not to mention the fact that we are all morons in the eyes of the
government here in WA.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

No, it's actually about protecting you from the idiot neighbor that falls asleep
with his grill (gas or charcoal) and the thing overheats and starts a fire on
his balcony. Or maybe he's got a raging fire going from all the lighter fluid
(or gasoline?) (with the can right next to the grill) that he's using to start
the fire? I agree with the natural selection process of letting him eleminate
his genes, but not the rest of the people in the building.

Fire sprinklers are relatively cheap at the time of construction, though almost
prohibitive in retrofit.

BOB

Steve Wertz wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:51:48 GMT, Reg wrote:

It doesn't apply to single family homes. No city legislature
would even attempt that...


..unless the homeowners insurance lobby had a hand in it.

Are you predicting an outright ban on grills in some locales?
I'd be willing to bet that never happens.

I'll make a one way "bet" with you. If this happens within say, the next
25 years, and you're still on usenet, I'll send you some free ribs.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

Steve Wertz wrote:

Get your Foodsaver out and start sucking. Grills are prohibited
on all balconies and patios of multi-family dwellings in the Great
State of Texas, lit or not. They're not even allowed to be stored
on patios or balconies.


Ah, but that's a limited ban. I'm talking about a complete ban of
the use of grills within a certain geographic area.

I'll take 1/2 pork spares and 1/2 beef short ribs.

Short ribs, eh? I still say the big ones are better if you get
them cut with enough meat on them.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com