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Barbecue (alt.food.barbecue) Discuss barbecue and grilling--southern style "low and slow" smoking of ribs, shoulders and briskets, as well as direct heat grilling of everything from burgers to salmon to vegetables.

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Old 02-05-2004, 07:21 PM
James
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I have a 10# pork shoulder filling the bottom rack of my el cheapo brinkman,
smoking for the last 4 hours. I now want to add a brined, halved chicken to
the top rack.

Will the fat rendering out of the chicken detrimentally affect the pork on
the bottom rack? Should I move the pork to the top and the chicken to the
bottom?

Thanks,

James


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Old 02-05-2004, 07:31 PM
Reg
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James wrote:

I have a 10# pork shoulder filling the bottom rack of my el cheapo brinkman,
smoking for the last 4 hours. I now want to add a brined, halved chicken to
the top rack.

Will the fat rendering out of the chicken detrimentally affect the pork on
the bottom rack? Should I move the pork to the top and the chicken to the
bottom?


Chicken is the one that will show streaks, so you've got it right
putting the chicken on top.

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Old 02-05-2004, 08:44 PM
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Reg wrote:
Will the fat rendering out of the chicken detrimentally
affect the pork on the bottom rack?


Chicken is the one that will show streaks, so you've
got it right putting the chicken on top.


Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.
I wouldn't do it.
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Old 02-05-2004, 08:55 PM
Reg
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ll wrote:

Reg wrote:

Will the fat rendering out of the chicken detrimentally
affect the pork on the bottom rack?


Chicken is the one that will show streaks, so you've
got it right putting the chicken on top.



Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.


I do believe the above reference is to appearance, not flavor.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.


Nope. As long as both the beef and pork are fully cooked,
there are no safety issues. It's strictly a matter of taste.
I did this yesterday with some lamb and chicken and it came out
fine.

I wouldn't do it.


Doesn't mean much, frankly. Both home cooks and restaurants do
this all the time without problems.

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Old 02-05-2004, 10:41 PM
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ll wrote:

Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.
I wouldn't do it.


The low temperature of a pit is hot enough to destroy the primary pathogens
that are a risk in poultry.
Dave


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Old 02-05-2004, 11:03 PM
Charles Demas
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Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
ll wrote:

Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.
I wouldn't do it.


The low temperature of a pit is hot enough to destroy the primary pathogens
that are a risk in poultry.


Huh?

Which pathogens are not killed at cooking temps?


Chuck Demas

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Old 03-05-2004, 12:53 AM
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Charles Demas wrote:
In article ,
Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
ll wrote:

Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.
I wouldn't do it.


The low temperature of a pit is hot enough to destroy the primary
pathogens that are a risk in poultry.


Huh?

Which pathogens are not killed at cooking temps?


Chuck, I think you mis-read my post. I said
"The low temperature of a pit is HOT enough to destroy the primary...."
Dave


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Old 03-05-2004, 02:49 AM
Charles Demas
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In article ,
Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
Charles Demas wrote:
In article ,
Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
ll wrote:

Flavor is not the most important issue in this case.

Putting a raw chicken above partly-already-cooked meat is a
health safety factor. _Especially_ at _low_ temperatures.
I wouldn't do it.

The low temperature of a pit is hot enough to destroy the primary
pathogens that are a risk in poultry.


Huh?

Which pathogens are not killed at cooking temps?


Chuck, I think you mis-read my post. I said
"The low temperature of a pit is HOT enough to destroy the primary...."


1. OP was using a Brinkman smoker.

2. How low is the temp of the pit you're thinking of?


Chuck Demas

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Old 03-05-2004, 03:46 AM
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Charles Demas wrote:

1. OP was using a Brinkman smoker.

2. How low is the temp of the pit you're thinking of?


Anywhere from 160F to 1 billionF.... I'm still not following why my original
reply was a problem.


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Old 03-05-2004, 05:44 AM
Charles Demas
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In article ,
Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
Charles Demas wrote:

1. OP was using a Brinkman smoker.

2. How low is the temp of the pit you're thinking of?


Anywhere from 160F to 1 billionF.... I'm still not following why my original
reply was a problem.


Because I think that the pathogens that might cause problems
with chicken are killed at those temperatures.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Which pathogen do you see as a problem.

BTW, won't a Brinkman smoker have a chamber temperature above
200F ?


Chuck Demas

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Old 03-05-2004, 07:24 AM
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Charles Demas wrote:

Because I think that the pathogens that might cause problems
with chicken are killed at those temperatures.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Which pathogen do you see as a problem.

BTW, won't a Brinkman smoker have a chamber temperature above
200F ?


Chuck, I think you didn't understand my original reply, so I'll paraphrase:
"The pit temperature will be plenty high enough to kill any germs". I think
you should carefully re-read my original reply :-)
Dave


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Old 03-05-2004, 04:14 PM
James
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Thanks for the quick replies; it all came out great. I was a little worried
the chicken fat would adversely affect the taste of the pork, but it didn't
seem to bother it at all.

James


Will the fat rendering out of the chicken detrimentally affect the pork on
the bottom rack? Should I move the pork to the top and the chicken to the
bottom?




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Old 03-05-2004, 05:35 PM
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James wrote:
Thanks for the quick replies; it all came out great. I was a little
worried the chicken fat would adversely affect the taste of the pork,
but it didn't seem to bother it at all.


Great!! Truth is, nobody here knew for sure and were hoping you'd be the one
to try it and report back.

j/k

D
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:00 PM
cory
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Charles Demas wrote:
In article ,
Dave Bugg deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:

Charles Demas wrote:


1. OP was using a Brinkman smoker.

2. How low is the temp of the pit you're thinking of?


Anywhere from 160F to 1 billionF.... I'm still not following why my original
reply was a problem.



Because I think that the pathogens that might cause problems
with chicken are killed at those temperatures.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Which pathogen do you see as a problem.

BTW, won't a Brinkman smoker have a chamber temperature above
200F ?


Chuck Demas


Charles, I suspect your last name is mispelled.
 




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