Duwop wrote:
muleherder wrote:
It sure is easy to fire up the gas grill and be cooking in 20 min.
The smoky taste comes from grease dripping on the hot lava rocks. It
works pretty well as long as it doesn't flare up on you.


What the HELL is up with this "smoky taste from greasy lava rocks,
mmmm mmmm good!" stuff?
Shit, had someone recently say they thought that burning grease was
the stuff BBQ flavor is made of. Mulerherder's not alone with this
notion, seen some others say the same shit. You guys storing those
rocks in your collective heads or something? You guys sniffin' that
gas? They puttin' something extra in that propane bottle for ya?

Smoky taste comes from one thing, wood. Burnin' grease tastes like
burnt grease, ask any woodpecker, they're different.

You like grease fire smoke so much? I oughta charge you guys to cook
on my side cooker when I burn the drippings out. That's a freakin'
grease fire, and it smells like it too.

Smoky taste from lava rocks my ass, smoky grease taste is what that
is.


D

Every once in awhile one of us hits a long ball, hits the nail right on the
head and all those complimentary analogies.

Congrats, Dale. Home Run, 16d nail driven with a single hammerblow. Nice
hit.

Jack Curry

Dave Bugg wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Is there something in the FAQ which contradicts this line from page
1?;
"for this list, anything having to do with smoking, grilling or any
other type of 'outdoor' cooking is welcome"

Apples and oranges, Jim. I was addressing a diffrent topic in my
reply than whether grilling can be talked about in AFB.

First, the FAQ was developed for a different list, not specifically
for THIS newsgroup; this NG simply adopted it and never removed the
all inclusive language of "outdoor cooking". The FAQ is our
reference as to what 'Q is, and is not. It also serves as a starting
point for the newbie and the recalcitrant.

Second, this is a NG that is BARBECUE related, so talking of grilling
is tolerated primarily because most of us who 'Q also grill. Nobody
is saying one can't talk about grilling -- using any type of fuel --
but I refuse to accept the premise that:
1. Barbecue is a piece of hardware.
2. Gas grilling is very much different than indoor cooking.
3. A tray of chips -- or foiled chips -- placed in a gas grill
automatically makes it a pit. That is not to say that a smokey flavor
cannot be added to grilled foods, but Emeril does the same thing on
his stove top.
4. Gas grills can cook barbecue any better than an indoor oven; which
is to say not anywhere near what a real pit can accomplish.

Barbecue and grilling are NOT interchangeable terms, and are very
different forms of cooking. Pits used to cook barbecue, with rare
exception, are not able to grill (yeah, yeah, Kamados and BGEs are
one of the exceptions); grills, with rare and difficult exception,
are not able to barbecue. That is why most of us have BOTH a pit AND
a grill. Dave

Why are so many of us glad to have Dave Bugg back?

Jack Curry
-'Cause he says stuff like that-

"Nathan Lau" wrote in message

My take: gas grilling is off topic but tolerated as long as people
understand it is not barbecue. Gas grilling is on-topic in
rec.food.cooking, but please don't crosspost back to afb. Easy way to
start a flame war and get yourself KF'd.


Sorry Nathan, but your take is not what the charter reads. The charter
allows for all sorts of outdoor cooking, gas, charcoal, cow chips, solar,
etc. Please don't tell others what to do if you don't know the rules. I've
been here from the beginning and I know what Dave (Eskwired) wrote in the
charter.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

"Monroe, of course..." wrote in message
...
In article , "Dave Bugg"
deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
I really was not trying to reprimand anyone for talkin' grilling.
However,
when folks show up on afb talking about grills while using the term
"barbecue", as is wont to happen many, many times, the real purpose of
AFB
can become bogged down by those folks thinking barbecue and grilling are
one
and the same. If AFB is to remain useful to its purpose, it would be
difficult to leave that core issue unaddressed. Discussions on
grilling --
in my view -- need to remain a periodic side-track, not a central focus.
Perhaps this would be more easily resolved if there were an
alt.food.outdoor.cooking.

I wish there was an alt.food.grilling newsgroup -but- there would still
be people chronically in the wrong group-we'd, however, have a place to
send them.

monroe(promoting a schism)

You schismist.
Jack

"frohe" wrote in message
Sure, we talk grillin here since we all grill somethin from time to
time. But, sayin that, grillin is a side bar topic, not the main
topic to surround itself with talk of stainless steel grills and that
sort of stuff. Y'all wanna spend all ya time talkin about grillin and
grill units, start ya a NG to talk about it. But, please don't clog
up our arteries with grill talk all the time; IMO, it's borin.
--
-frohe

Sorry frohe, read the original charter. Grilling is very much on topic. Now,
if you have taken over as commander of the group and changed the charter,
I'll apologize. The group has been here for quite some time now and
grilling is very on topic.

This group goes back to about 1996. Were you here then? I was.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"frohe" wrote in message
Sure, we talk grillin here since we all grill somethin from time to
time. But, sayin that, grillin is a side bar topic, not the main
topic to surround itself with talk of stainless steel grills and
that
sort of stuff. Y'all wanna spend all ya time talkin about grillin
and grill units, start ya a NG to talk about it. But, please don't
clog up our arteries with grill talk all the time; IMO, it's borin.
--
-frohe

Sorry frohe, read the original charter. Grilling is very much on
topic. Now, if you have taken over as commander of the group and
changed the charter, I'll apologize. The group has been here for
quite some time now and grilling is very on topic.

Read it again, Ed. Nowhere did I say it was off-topic; just not the
main topic. And, no I've taken command of nothin; don't want to
neither.

This group goes back to about 1996. Were you here then? I was.

Tell me what longevity in the NG has to do with this. One upsmanship?
Command of the group?
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

frohe wrote:
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"frohe" wrote in message
Sure, we talk grillin here since we all grill somethin from time to
time. But, sayin that, grillin is a side bar topic, not the main
topic to surround itself with talk of stainless steel grills and
that sort of stuff. Y'all wanna spend all ya time talkin about
grillin and grill units, start ya a NG to talk about it. But,
please don't clog up our arteries with grill talk all the time;
IMO, it's borin. --
-frohe

Sorry frohe, read the original charter. Grilling is very much on
topic. Now, if you have taken over as commander of the group and
changed the charter, I'll apologize. The group has been here for
quite some time now and grilling is very on topic.

Read it again, Ed. Nowhere did I say it was off-topic; just not the
main topic. And, no I've taken command of nothin; don't want to
neither.

This group goes back to about 1996. Were you here then? I was.

Tell me what longevity in the NG has to do with this. One upsmanship?
Command of the group?

Shit, we forgot to tell ya, Ed's Captain Canada. Sorry, seems there's a typo
for your addy, just to be sure, did you receive your notice of promotion to
Temp. Colonel of Texas? Your commanding officer is still Gen. Killalot, he
sure brings home the bacon.

j/k

D
--

"frohe" wrote in message

"frohe" wrote in message
But, sayin that, grillin is a side bar topic, not the main
topic to surround itself with talk of stainless steel grills and
that
sort of stuff. Y'all wanna spend all ya time talkin about grillin
and grill units, start ya a NG to talk about it. But, please don't
clog up our arteries with grill talk all the time; IMO, it's borin.
--
-frohe

Read it again, Ed. Nowhere did I say it was off-topic; just not the
main topic. And, no I've taken command of nothin; don't want to
neither.


Re-read what you wrote. You are telling people that the talk of stainless
teel is clogging your arteries and boring. If you don't like the topic,
don't read it. Unless you are in command you don't have the right to tell
anyone what they can or cannot discuss as long as it is on topic and covered
by the charter.

While you are entitled to your opinion, you do not have the right to speak
for anyone else. Main topic or not, the people posting other information
have the same rights you do.


This group goes back to about 1996. Were you here then? I was.

Tell me what longevity in the NG has to do with this. One upsmanship?
Command of the group?

If you had been here for some time you would know what is on and off topic.
Again, unless you are the commander in charge your opinion is just that, an
opinion. Sorry you are bored, but that is the way it is.
Ed

On 23-Apr-2004, "Duwop" wrote:
snip before and after
Pimp, please search google on this subject, you'll see you're not going to
win any friends and you will **** people off as your arguments become
inevitably more strident and coarse. You seem like a good guy, don't let
this become your defining time here.

More to the point, our British friends DC and Graeme damn well know the
difference and don't need your interrogative.

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

On 23-Apr-2004, "Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
snip
If AFB is to remain useful to its purpose, it would be
difficult to leave that core issue unaddressed. Discussions on grilling
in my view -- need to remain a periodic side-track, not a central focus.
Perhaps this would be more easily resolved if there were an
alt.food.outdoor.cooking.

God bless Dave. I wish I was so articulate. I only hope that I have other
gifts to make up for it.. (And welcome back to your old self).

M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

On 23-Apr-2004, "Jack Curry" Jack-Curry deletethis @cfl.rr.com wrote:

Why are so many of us glad to have Dave Bugg back?

Jack Curry
-'Cause he says stuff like that-

Because he's got a little higher IQ. He thinks a little faster
and because he has survived S^&* that would have sunk
most of us.
--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

On 23-Apr-2004, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
snip
Sorry frohe, read the original charter. Grilling is very much on topic.
Now,
if you have taken over as commander of the group and changed the charter,
I'll apologize. The group has been here for quite some time now and
grilling is very on topic.

This group goes back to about 1996. Were you here then? I was.
Ed

I 'Q' and I like it, but should I not share with the group when I grill a
pork tenderloin or two. I 'Q' and grill both on an offset smoker (NB
Silver).
There's some new folk here that want to know what you can do with an
offset. I'm one of those that can talk about it. If you google this group
you will discover lots of post about 'K' guys grilling meat at high temps.
Not to speak of baking bread and cooking pizza. Where we keep going
astray is the difference between 'Q" and 'Grill'. I have difficulty
understanding
how so few people can differentiate the difference. Or more succinctly why
one party wishes to impress their philosophy on another. I do both and
will continue to do so. My guests enjoy the results so F^&* all the
detractors.

"M&M" wrote in message

astray is the difference between 'Q" and 'Grill'. I have difficulty
understanding
how so few people can differentiate the difference. Or more succinctly why
one party wishes to impress their philosophy on another.

Most of us here know the difference and the origins of barbecue. We are a
tiny minority and always will be. The masses are bought up that cooking a
hot dog on a gill is barbecuing and we can't educate the entire world. Just
tonight the History Channel has a show about outdoor tools and they showed
grilling on the barbecue. That is the definition that most of the world
uses and the media touts it.

Be happy that you get a convert or two every year here.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
..

M&M wrote:

Because he's got a little higher IQ.

Not hardly.

He thinks a little faster
and because he has survived S^&* that would have sunk
most of us.

You guys played an important part in my being here today. I'll always be
grateful.
Dave

Nick might be chagrined, but 'Semper Fi' isn't only for
Marines.

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")