Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Is there something in the FAQ which contradicts this line from page
1?;
"for this list, anything having to do with smoking, grilling or any
other type of 'outdoor' cooking is welcome"

Apples and oranges, Jim. I was addressing a diffrent topic in my reply than
whether grilling can be talked about in AFB.

First, the FAQ was developed for a different list, not specifically for THIS
newsgroup; this NG simply adopted it and never removed the all inclusive
language of "outdoor cooking". The FAQ is our reference as to what 'Q is,
and is not. It also serves as a starting point for the newbie and the
recalcitrant.

Second, this is a NG that is BARBECUE related, so talking of grilling is
tolerated primarily because most of us who 'Q also grill. Nobody is saying
one can't talk about grilling -- using any type of fuel -- but I refuse to
accept the premise that:
1. Barbecue is a piece of hardware.
2. Gas grilling is very much different than indoor cooking.
3. A tray of chips -- or foiled chips -- placed in a gas grill automatically
makes it a pit. That is not to say that a smokey flavor cannot be added to
grilled foods, but Emeril does the same thing on his stove top.
4. Gas grills can cook barbecue any better than an indoor oven; which is to
say not anywhere near what a real pit can accomplish.

Barbecue and grilling are NOT interchangeable terms, and are very different
forms of cooking. Pits used to cook barbecue, with rare exception, are not
able to grill (yeah, yeah, Kamados and BGEs are one of the exceptions);
grills, with rare and difficult exception, are not able to barbecue. That
is why most of us have BOTH a pit AND a grill.
Dave

"Duwop" wrote in message
...
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Is there something in the FAQ which contradicts this line from page
1?;
"for this list, anything having to do with smoking, grilling or any
other type of 'outdoor' cooking is welcome"

Jim

Jim, nobody was arguing that, Pimp is just another in a long line that
wants
to argue semantics for some reason.
This is a discussion group who's medium is the written word, so one
neccessary part of communication is a common language, and definition is
part of that. Some people feel a need to argue the definitions this group
has agreed on.
Pimps' argument makes as much sense as me telling a British user that a
public school is NOT one you pay to go to, and since everyone else in the
world agrees with me, Englishmen must change their usage.
Just because much of the world settles for an approximation of BBQ is not
a
reason to change it's definition.

Pimp, please search google on this subject, you'll see you're not going to
win any friends and you will **** people off as your arguments become
inevitably more strident and coarse. You seem like a good guy, don't let
this become your defining time here.

D
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Point taken and noted. I'm not trying to change the group. I like it here!
I'm just following up on Dave's post, which I (maybe mistakenly) saw as a
reprimand for discussing grilling in the group. If thats not acceptible,
then I stand corrected.

Maybe you need to lighten up a little too.

/s

Dave Bugg wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Is there something in the FAQ which contradicts this line from page
1?;
"for this list, anything having to do with smoking, grilling or any
other type of 'outdoor' cooking is welcome"

Apples and oranges, Jim. I was addressing a diffrent topic in my
reply than whether grilling can be talked about in AFB.

Snip great succint post
Dave

Dave, I'd save that for future re-use, perfectly and succintly describes
difference for those who wish to argue so much.

Hell, I've saved a copy.


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Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The original question was regarding gas vs charcoal. Clearly it was
about grilling. Are you saying that because this is a BBQ list, we're
not allowed to talk about grilling here?

No.

According to the BBQ FAQ you mentioned, and posted here a few days
ago:

snip of quoted text...

I've already covered this in this thread. The mailing list is NOT this NG.
This is used as a reference to help newbies understand what BBQ is, and to
get them started in their quest to learn BBQ.


- Are you saying that if we talk about BBQ, it can only be about "low
and slow" bbq? The FAQ covers this:

Again, this FAQ was developed for the BBQ Mailing List, not Usenet. However,
it provides the common reference used here to describe what this NG means as
BBQ.

So in this context (the group), the term Barbecue should be understood
to mean either "low and slow" in something like a WSM or offset pit,
or indirect, as can be done in a Kettle, with smoke. Everything except
grilling directly over radiant heat. I can live with that, recognising
that its a local definition, rather than a global one.

So, I guess I don't get the problem you seem to have.


I really enjoy reading this group (and ABF) and am not trying to rock
the boat here.

Sure you are.

However discussion about grilling is on topic,
according to the charter

That is not "our charter", it is our reference containing the information to
let folks know what is barbecue and what isn't 'Q. Grilling is tolerated as
part of discussion, but IS NOT the primary purpose of this NG, anymore than
discussions of beer making would be on a wine making usenet group, simply
because they are both ETOH beverages. And then you go and say something
pitiful like this:

and doesn't need to be regarded as a poor
cousin to "the real thing".

Grilling and 'Q are NOT related, they are not cousins, spouses, or brother
and sister. Barbecue is to grilling, as baking is to boiling: DIFFERENT
METHODS OF COOKING. If you can't get that, than you really need to stick
with rec.food.cooking where the rabble there will take up and support your
train of thought.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Point taken and noted. I'm not trying to change the group. I like it
here! I'm just following up on Dave's post, which I (maybe
mistakenly) saw as a reprimand for discussing grilling in the group.
If thats not acceptible, then I stand corrected.

I really was not trying to reprimand anyone for talkin' grilling. However,
when folks show up on afb talking about grills while using the term
"barbecue", as is wont to happen many, many times, the real purpose of AFB
can become bogged down by those folks thinking barbecue and grilling are one
and the same. If AFB is to remain useful to its purpose, it would be
difficult to leave that core issue unaddressed. Discussions on grilling --
in my view -- need to remain a periodic side-track, not a central focus.
Perhaps this would be more easily resolved if there were an
alt.food.outdoor.cooking.

Bill Funk wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:52:02 -0700, "Duwop"
wrote:

Pimp, please search google on this subject, you'll see you're not
going to win any friends and you will **** people off as your
arguments become inevitably more strident and coarse. You seem like
a good guy, don't let this become your defining time here.

Google will do that?
I did a Google search on BBQ, and I couldn't find any referrences to
****ing people off.
What did you search on?
:-)

Damn, shoulda known someone would call me on that. ;-)

Uhhh, search on Le Mimic, moosmeat and Miles? Found Miles when searching on
the word "asshole", no joke!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=as...rbecue&hl=en&l
r=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off

Searching on "**** off" finds the poster moosmeat and lotsa stuff about top
posting. LMAO
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=...=UTF-8&newwind
ow=1&safe=off&q=%22****+off%22+group%3Aalt.food.ba rbecue

I don't miss those threads at all.

D
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Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

So in this context (the group), the term Barbecue should be understood
to mean either "low and slow" in something like a WSM or offset pit,
or indirect, as can be done in a Kettle, with smoke. Everything except
grilling directly over radiant heat. I can live with that, recognising
that its a local definition, rather than a global one.

I really enjoy reading this group (and ABF) and am not trying to rock
the boat here. However discussion about grilling is on topic,
according to the charter, and doesn't need to be regarded as a poor
cousin to "the real thing".

Ah, the inevitable, yearly "definitions" battle. Pops up right after
the flurry of posts from would-be gassers, like weeds in the spring.
Well, at least it's not as bad as the veggie troll threads.

My take: gas grilling is off topic but tolerated as long as people
understand it is not barbecue. Gas grilling is on-topic in
rec.food.cooking, but please don't crosspost back to afb. Easy way to
start a flame war and get yourself KF'd.

ObBBQ: gonna do a tri-tip roast tonight, on the WSM.

--
Aloha,

Nathan Lau
San Jose, CA

#include std.disclaimer

Dave Bugg wrote:

......snip of what I wrote.

I apologize for the rather harsh tone of my previous post. I did not need to
personally attack Pimpernel as I did by using some of the words and
phrasing. My point stands, but minus the beligerant language.
Dave

"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote in message
...
Dave Bugg wrote:

.....snip of what I wrote.

I apologize for the rather harsh tone of my previous post. I did not need
to
personally attack Pimpernel as I did by using some of the words and
phrasing. My point stands, but minus the beligerant language.
Dave

Hey, Dave, next time you're this side of the border (White Rock, BC) I'll
buy you a beer.

OK? ;-)

/s

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Hey, Dave, next time you're this side of the border (White Rock, BC)
I'll buy you a beer.

OK? ;-)

Sounds good, but hopefully you'll be on hand for the opening of my 'Q joint.
:-)

In article , "Dave Bugg"
deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:
I really was not trying to reprimand anyone for talkin' grilling. However,
when folks show up on afb talking about grills while using the term
"barbecue", as is wont to happen many, many times, the real purpose of AFB
can become bogged down by those folks thinking barbecue and grilling are one
and the same. If AFB is to remain useful to its purpose, it would be
difficult to leave that core issue unaddressed. Discussions on grilling --
in my view -- need to remain a periodic side-track, not a central focus.
Perhaps this would be more easily resolved if there were an
alt.food.outdoor.cooking.

I wish there was an alt.food.grilling newsgroup -but- there would still
be people chronically in the wrong group-we'd, however, have a place to
send them.

monroe(promoting a schism)

"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote in message
...
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Hey, Dave, next time you're this side of the border (White Rock, BC)
I'll buy you a beer.

OK? ;-)

Sounds good, but hopefully you'll be on hand for the opening of my 'Q
joint.
:-)

Sure! Will you have anything grilled? (running and ducking ;-)

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Are you saying that because this is a BBQ list, we're
not allowed to talk about grilling here?

Sure, we talk grillin here since we all grill somethin from time to
time. But, sayin that, grillin is a side bar topic, not the main
topic to surround itself with talk of stainless steel grills and that
sort of stuff. Y'all wanna spend all ya time talkin about grillin and
grill units, start ya a NG to talk about it. But, please don't clog
up our arteries with grill talk all the time; IMO, it's borin.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

"Dave Bugg" deebuggatcharterdotnet wrote:

-snip-
I really was not trying to reprimand anyone for talkin' grilling. However,
when folks show up on afb talking about grills while using the term
"barbecue", as is wont to happen many, many times,

You must have typed that very slowly--- it finally penetrated *my*
thick skull.

the real purpose of AFB
can become bogged down by those folks thinking barbecue and grilling are one
and the same. If AFB is to remain useful to its purpose, it would be
difficult to leave that core issue unaddressed. Discussions on grilling --
in my view -- need to remain a periodic side-track, not a central focus.
Perhaps this would be more easily resolved if there were an
alt.food.outdoor.cooking.


Point taken--

Jim

wrote:
Unless yer grillin' up a nice thick Porterhouse!

Make mine a ribeye please.

--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry