Agenda for a New America
Part One
The Politics of Vegetarianism
By Vasu Murti
Chapter 19 - Political Action

In 1989, for example, Presbyterian Minister and environmental activist
Richard Cartwright Austin discussed proposals to amend the
Constitution:

"It is time to affirm that all creatures within the boundaries of our
nation deserve constitutional recognition, and that rights extend
beyond the human community to embrace all of natural life. This is the
most radical of the proposals because it would give species, natural
systems, and natural features constitutional standing and rights of
their own - independent of their contributions or lack of
contribution, to human welfare.

"To secure their rights within our legal system they would, of course,
require human agents willing to argue their case, just as agents now
represent the perceived interests of infants, the comatose, and others
who cannot speak on their own behalf.

"Corporations, which are legal constructions and not natural beings,
have standing in court to protect their interests now. This amendment
would grant similar privileges to spotted owls threatened by timbering
in the Pacific northwest to marine life in Chesapeake Bay suffering
urban and agricultural pollution, and to the beauties of the Yosemite
Valley hidden behind too many buildings and vehicles.

"A constitutional amendment to recognize the rights of a vast new
constituency - all God's creatures - will not succeed without broad
popular support. Animals ask us for considerate treatment and the
earth cries for loving care."

Austin's words reflect the rising tide of environmental concern in
America and the emergence of an animal liberation theology.

By 1991, seven medical schools in the U. S. had stopped using animals
to train their students. In 1991, fur imports and trappings were cut
in half. Seventy-five firms stopped using animals to test their
products. A Gallup Poll, paid for by the Restaurant Association of the
United States, found that one-third of all meals ordered in American
restaurants in 1991 were vegetarian.

In 1992, Congressman Ron Dellums called for a halt to all animal
experimentation in the military. Presidential candidate Jerry Brown
said, "The millions of animals used in scientific experiments should
be replaced by other methods." In a letter dated March 26, 1992,
Presidential Candidate Bill Clinton wrote to Don A. Jones of Marietta,
GA: "Thank you for writing to express your concern for the rights of
animals. I have always loved and respected animals and abhor any
cruelty toward them. Please be assured that a Clinton Administration
would be extremely sensitive to these issues and concerns."

Animal rights is gradually becoming a mainstream political issue. In
letter dated October 6, 1992, Congressman Pete Stark says he supports
H. R. 3918, the Consumer Products Safe Testing Act.

He writes:

"Animals should be treaded humanely. As I was in the last Congress, I
am a co-sponsor of this bill which declares that Federal policy shall
encourage the development and use of product testing procedures which
accurately reflect the acute health effects on humans of certain
products, but...do not rely upon animal testing."

Stark, along with Congressman James Scheuer, is also an original
co-sponsor of legislation to ban the use of the steel-jaw leghold trap
- banned in over 66 countries. Stark also supports the Endangered
Species Act, without weakening its provisions; an immediate ban on the
importation of wild-caught birds for the pet trade; a prohibition on
sport hunting and trapping in the National wildlife Refuge; non-animal
toxicity tests for non-medical products; making medical research more
accountable for tax money spent and animals used; and more humane
methods of raising animals for food.


courtesy of http://www.all-creatures.org/article...-polveg19.html

Jonathan Ball spake thusly:
Agenda for a New America
Part One
The Politics of Vegetarianism
By Vasu Murti
Chapter 19 - Political Action

In 1989, for example, Presbyterian Minister and
environmental activist Richard Cartwright Austin
discussed proposals to amend the Constitution:

"It is time to affirm that all creatures within the
boundaries of our nation deserve constitutional
recognition, and that rights extend beyond the human
community to embrace all of natural life. This is the
most radical of the proposals because it would give
species, natural systems, and natural features
constitutional standing and rights of their own -
independent of their contributions or lack of
contribution, to human welfare.

You have GOT to be kidding. No, wait...you are
not kidding.

Maybe I could marry a nice kitty-kat. After all, why
should one species have marriage rights and not another.

Purr for me baby!!

--
Sanford M. Manley
The only tyrant I accept in this world is the "still small voice"
within me. - Gandhi
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ansaman/

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
om...
Agenda for a New America
Part One
The Politics of Vegetarianism
By Vasu Murti
Chapter 19 - Political Action

In 1989, for example, Presbyterian Minister and environmental activist
Richard Cartwright Austin discussed proposals to amend the
Constitution:

"It is time to affirm that all creatures within the boundaries of our
nation deserve constitutional recognition, and that rights extend
beyond the human community to embrace all of natural life. This is the
most radical of the proposals because it would give species, natural
systems, and natural features constitutional standing and rights of
their own - independent of their contributions or lack of
contribution, to human welfare.

Recognition of any species other than man is prohibited by not only the
christian religion, but most other cults as well.

Flaming christians only think in terms of what their brainwashing bible
tells them to think. They have no mind or thought process of their own.

To tell a christian that whales, dolphins and alligators have been around
thousands of years longer than they have totally blows away their "god
created all" myth so they will deny it and call science the devil. All the
while, they are tripping over dinosaur bones and falling on their ass.

Believe me, you are wasting your time trying to talk reality with these
morons.

Luckily, we now have the godless americans political action committee! (
http://godlessamericans.org/ ) Ellen Johnson has followed through with her
promise to have Atheists and non-believers represented in Washington!
Excellent Job Ellen!

Now we can start taking Theology out of OUR government and start respecting
the constitution as it should be. For starters, we are getting rid of the
"under god" bullshit in OUR pledge that the knights of columbus religious
group lobbied to have added in 1957. Then we move on to get rid of any "god"
associated with America, specifically the graffiti printed on OUR money "in
god we trust". Which god?

It's time for the 30,000,000+ Atheists and Free Thinkers in America to
demand that we keep religion OUT of OUR government.

If it takes a civil war to do so, then be prepared because we are ready to
defend our country from anti-american religious fundies!

Religion has no place in OUR government. If you want to live in a theocracy,
then move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. America was founded on freedom OF
religion and freedom FROM religion.

Keep your myths and imaginary ghosts to yourself. WE the people of America
DO NOT want 1 religious group telling everyone else how to live.

Period.

"Sanford Manley" wrote in message
. ..
Jonathan Ball spake thusly:
Agenda for a New America
Part One
The Politics of Vegetarianism
By Vasu Murti
Chapter 19 - Political Action

In 1989, for example, Presbyterian Minister and
environmental activist Richard Cartwright Austin
discussed proposals to amend the Constitution:

"It is time to affirm that all creatures within the
boundaries of our nation deserve constitutional
recognition, and that rights extend beyond the human
community to embrace all of natural life. This is the
most radical of the proposals because it would give
species, natural systems, and natural features
constitutional standing and rights of their own -
independent of their contributions or lack of
contribution, to human welfare.

You have GOT to be kidding. No, wait...you are
not kidding.

No asshole, we are not kidding. Wake up.

Maybe I could marry a nice kitty-kat. After all, why
should one species have marriage rights and not another.

Your sexual fantacies are not our concern, if you want to marry your cat,
then that is your right. Maybe you can get on Oprah and write a book about
it. So you like tight pussy?

If you think for 1 minute that the human species is superior to any other
species, then you must be consumed by a religious cult, or out of your
freaken mind.

Many species were here long before the human species, and they will do doubt
be here long after we are gone. The human species is less than 20,000 years
old and already killing themselves off. Whales, Dolphins and Alligators have
lived on Earth millions of years longer than we have.

Let's wake up and stop thinking that your "god" created man. No, dipstick,
man created your "god". Duh.

"Family Man" wrote


wow, such hatred. get back on the meds man...




snippage...

"rick etter" wrote

wow, such hatred. get back on the meds man...




Here's some hatred for ya prick boy....Goddamn it, quit f***ing crossposting
your replies to every goddamned NG in f-ing existence. What are
you....stupid?
That's just what we need is a bunch short fat animal humping vegetarian
atheists replying to your idiotic message and cross-posting back into this
group which used to be fairly civilized but is fast becoming nothing but a
bunch of chaotic stupidity on the goddamned rampage thanks to knuckleheaded
McDonalds loving crossposting dumbasses like you and Kevin!
Sheeeeeee-zus!

My apologies to the rest of you fine people out there who seem to have a
clue.
(of course the guy might have been in another ng in which case I don't guess
he'll be readin' this 'cause I didn't crosspost my reply to him. What a
shame that would be)
--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner
adding one more McDonalds loving moron to the crossposters purgatory.
*******!

Family Man spake thusly:

You have GOT to be kidding. No, wait...you are
not kidding.

No asshole, we are not kidding. Wake up.

Hey, I am not crossposting into your group. I only post
and read in alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, if you don't want to
hear my flip comments, leave my ****ing group off your
list to spam.


Maybe I could marry a nice kitty-kat. After all, why
should one species have marriage rights and not another.

Your sexual fantacies are not our concern, if you want to
marry your cat, then that is your right. Maybe you can
get on Oprah and write a book about it. So you like tight
pussy?

Your politics are not my concern. Keep your spam in your
group.



--
Sanford M. Manley
Your strength may be measured by what you can hold,
but your freedom is measured by what you can release.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ansaman/

"Family Man" wrote

No asshole, we are not kidding. Wake up.

Oh oh, we've got a live one....

So you like tight pussy?

Great stuff... right up our alley...

Let's wake up and stop thinking that your "god" created man. No, dipstick,
man created your "god". Duh.

God? Who said anything about god? We're a bunch o' smartassed Buddhists
yankin' your chain.

/lee

someguy spake thusly:
"Family Man" wrote

No asshole, we are not kidding. Wake up.

Oh oh, we've got a live one....

So you like tight pussy?

Great stuff... right up our alley...

Let's wake up and stop thinking that your "god" created
man. No, dipstick, man created your "god". Duh.

God? Who said anything about god? We're a bunch o'
smartassed Buddhists yankin' your chain.

Uh...that's not a chain in your hand dude.
Who do you think you are, Ben Affleck?

--
Sanford M. Manley
Outlasting the trolls since 1994!
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ansaman/

"someguy" wrote in message
...

"Family Man" wrote

No asshole, we are not kidding. Wake up.

Oh oh, we've got a live one....

Bet your ass!

So you like tight pussy?

Great stuff... right up our alley...

Not mine.

Let's wake up and stop thinking that your "god" created man. No,
dipstick,
man created your "god". Duh.

God? Who said anything about god? We're a bunch o' smartassed Buddhists
yankin' your chain.

Open your damn eyes and read the original post...

"A constitutional amendment to recognize the rights of a vast new
constituency - all God's creatures - will not succeed without broad
popular support. Animals ask us for considerate treatment and the
earth cries for loving care."

Did you say.. "Who said anything about god?".

Wake Up! you Crank-Yanker!

Troll Elsewhere.

"rick etter" wrote in message
link.net...

"Family Man" wrote

wow, such hatred. get back on the meds man...


The sad fact is that there is no "meds".

This is reality. Face it.

*

Family Man wrote:

"rick etter" wrote in message
link.net...

"Family Man" wrote

wow, such hatred.* get back on the meds man...


The sad fact is that there is no "meds".

This is reality. Face it.

Mr Etter uses the exact same comments that people say to him to reply to
others. He is the one that needs to get on medication. Either that or
got outside and go for walk. The guy has no life other than trolling for
excuses to* be abusive to others. He and Mr Ball are top notch losers!

"Family Man" wrote in message
news:R4U4c.22802$m4.19526@okepread03...
"rick etter" wrote in message
link.net...

"Family Man" wrote

wow, such hatred. get back on the meds man...


The sad fact is that there is no "meds".
=================
Yes, it is sad that you have so much hatred of others and con't seem to do
anything about it.



This is reality. Face it.
================
The reality is that you are one sick little puppy, full of hate and dispair.
Have a nice day, killer.

"Peer Review" wrote in message
...


Family Man wrote:

"rick etter" wrote in message
link.net...

"Family Man" wrote

wow, such hatred. get back on the meds man...


The sad fact is that there is no "meds".

This is reality. Face it.

Mr Etter uses the exact same comments that people say to him to reply to
others. He is the one that needs to get on medication. Either that or
got outside and go for walk. The guy has no life other than trolling for
excuses to be abusive to others. He and Mr Ball are top notch losers!
==================
And you know all about being a top notch loser don't you fool. What a
hoot!!
Never on topic, that's the stuff! See how easy you are....

Family Man wrote:

Many species were here long before the human species, and they will do doubt
be here long after we are gone. The human species is less than 20,000 years
old and already killing themselves off. Whales, Dolphins and Alligators have
lived on Earth millions of years longer than we have.



Actually, modern people have been around for 120 000 years or more, all
of which (apart from the last 5000 years) were spent as
hunter-gatherers. Wherever we gather in numbers, we are top of the food
chain. The high level of meat in our diet both now and in the past is
what distinguishes us from other great apes.

The reason we like to eat meat is because that is what countless
generations before us liked to eat. If you want to survive in the
evergreen forests of the north, meat and fish is what you need to live.

What right do dolphins have to eat fish, whales to eat krill or
aligators to eat game? Why, the same right we have to eat them.

I say, let us be part once again of the natural cycle of birth and
death. Let our rifles, harpoons and axes sing their timeless melody. Let
us bring our prey back to camp and roast them on mighty bonfires.

And let us have fries with that.

Best wishes
Kirsten