On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:23:10 GMT, "Kent H."
wrote:

Look at "Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing" Kutas, 1987, Macmillan,
and "James Beard's treasury of Outdoor Cooking".
James Beard clearly differentiates between smoking, and "smoke cooking".
Kutas does not acknowledge "smoke cooking".

DYOFHW. I'm not the one making the assertion. You are. Now I'm
supposed to take your word for it that these books make those
distinctions.

Those that persist in bottom posting look like they are constantly
eating feces, especially if they are doubting of the poster. When they
swallow enough feces, they get intractable vomiting, as this poster
seems to have.

Um, Kent? Screw you, sincerely.


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Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile."
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Kent H. wrote:
Those that persist in bottom posting look like they are constantly
eating feces, especially if they are doubting of the poster.

ESPECIALLY then, eh? Wow, tell us your opinion on interleaving, we do
respect them so much from a learned man such as yourself, please, is
interleaving acceptable?

When they
swallow enough feces, they get intractable vomiting, as this poster
seems to have.

So, bottom posting makes a person "look" like they are eating something? And
it can lead to actual physical manifestations? Thanks god we have you with
your extentive medical training here to help guide us unworthy's. Please
tell us how else to avoid sickness.

LMAOROTFL, stop it, stop it, you're killin' me!
At least I've learnt not to be drinking any beverages when reading a Kent
missive, much too much danger of laughter splatter.

D
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Kent H. wrote:

Look at "Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing" Kutas, 1987, Macmillan,
and "James Beard's treasury of Outdoor Cooking".
James Beard clearly differentiates between smoking, and "smoke cooking".
Kutas does not acknowledge "smoke cooking".

I find this interpretation confusing. Neither of the authors you cite
would have a problem with the concept that both cold smoking and
hot smoking are a form of smoking.

This is all very, very odd.

You can interpret terminology as you see fit of course, but you'll be
the only one using the terminology that way. What good is that? Sorta
like the sound of one hand clapping.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"Kent H." wrote:
Look at "Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing" Kutas, 1987, Macmillan,
and "James Beard's treasury of Outdoor Cooking".
James Beard clearly differentiates between smoking, and "smoke cooking".
Kutas does not acknowledge "smoke cooking".

In "Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing" Kutas, 1984, there is a section
on 'Smoking Meat', runs from page 46 to 78. On p. 48, he says, "Last of
all, during all of these stages, the meat is being slowly cooked." "A small
diameter sausage . . . can be smoked and flavored in a few hours at 160
degrees F." On p. 59, he points out that ". . . you are always safe at 152
degrees F. internally . . . " Further, on p. 61, he points out that " . . .
fish or poultry . . . can be smoked and cooked in the 200 degree f. range.
At this high temperature, the use of cures is unnecessary."

That last sentence is the key. Cold smoking can only be done with products
that have a curing agent, such as Prague powder or Morton's Tender Quick,
mixed in. Otherwise, you better have 911 on your speed-dialer!

My wife makes a Laotian style sausage. It has the Thai equivalent of Prague
powder in it and is air dried at room temperature. I have cold-smoked some
at 90 degrees F., but that doesn't matter from a safety standpoint, because
it's already cured (cooked if you will)! Also, it should be noted, it took
8 hours of smoking to get the smoke flavor up to where it would be
noticeable against the richness of the sausage itself.

Bottom line, IMNSHO, it's easy to mis-quote an authority or take their
statements out-of-context to support an erroneous doctrine.

Bottom posted with care.

S/f,

--
Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley www.boonchoo.com
"Giving violent criminals a government guarantee that their intended
victims are defenseless is bad public policy."
- John Ross, "Unintended Consequences"