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BBQ is a health food



 
 
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Old 30-04-2008, 06:06 PM posted to alt.food.barbecue
Dave Bugg
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A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy fat

Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to barbecued
beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine is loaded with the
same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola oil.

The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50 percent -
comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting, AgriLife meat scientist
Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer eats, the higher the percentage of
the good fat.

Olive and canola oils contain up to 80 percent monosaturated fat.

Smith and Texas A&M graduate student Stacey Turk, who conducted the research
for her master's thesis in animal science, contend the discovery bodes well
for other beef products in grocers' meat counters.

Grinding brisket, or grinding parts of brisket that contain the highest
concentration of fat, could provide a healthy alternative to conventional
ground beef, which typically is made from cuts higher in saturated fat,
Smith said.

The key to brisket's monosaturated fat seems to be the corn-fed finishing
most American cattle receive in feedlots. The same breeds of cattle fed
entirely on grass do not develop the health-enhancing quality, nor is all
fat in corn-fed beef high in monosaturated acids.

Smith and Turk said they believe the new findings will be a boon to the beef
business.

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What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you,
and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Old 30-04-2008, 10:52 PM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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On Apr 30, 12:06 pm, "Dave Bugg" wrote:

A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy fat

Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to barbecued
beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine is loaded with the
same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola oil.


Well, even down here in Texas you know that will hurt some feelings.
There are so many here that didn't grow up in Texas that they think
eating beef is just plain unhealthy.

Do you have a link?

Robert


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Old 30-04-2008, 11:43 PM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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On Apr 30, 5:16 pm, "Dave Bugg" wrote:

Do you have a link?


Here ya go:http://agnews.tamu.edu/showstory.php?id=458


Excellent. Thanks, Dave!

Robert
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:37 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy fat

Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to barbecued
beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine is loaded with
the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola oil.

The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50 percent -
comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting, AgriLife meat
scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer eats, the higher the
percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat", and corn
feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase the "bad fat".
So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in brisket? What about the
rest of the animal? Or does this just pertain to certain breeds, where corn
feeding makes the entire animal's fat content better? I didn't find the
article at all clear.


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Old 01-05-2008, 12:51 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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"Gil Faver" wrote in message
...

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy fat

Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to barbecued
beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine is loaded with
the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola oil.

The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50 percent -
comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting, AgriLife meat
scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer eats, the higher the
percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat", and
corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase the "bad
fat". So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in brisket? What about
the rest of the animal? Or does this just pertain to certain breeds,
where corn feeding makes the entire animal's fat content better? I didn't
find the article at all clear.


wow, this is complex stuff!

http://www.meatupdate.csiro.au/data/...PDATE_08-2.pdf


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Old 01-05-2008, 12:53 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
Dave Bugg
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Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy
fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to
barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine
is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola
oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50
percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting,
AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer
eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",


I don't recall ever hearing that. Only that grass-fed was 'leaner' with less
fat.

and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase
the "bad fat".


Again, I never heard that at all. It was a fat vs lean thing.

So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket?


That's what it said.

What about the rest of the animal?


[shrug] Don't know. The article was 'bout brisket, which is a heavily fatted
cut of cow.

Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all clear.


I found the article to be clear to me. The article was about brisket, not
about the entire cow. It explained the phenomenom of corn-feeding producing
a higher percentage of monosaturates which seems to be missing in grass-fed
beef.

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Old 01-05-2008, 12:54 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy
fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to
barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine
is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola
oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50
percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting,
AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer
eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",
and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase
the "bad fat". So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket? What about the rest of the animal? Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all clear.


Doesn't matter to me, as an honest man, I cannot afford beef. ;-)


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Old 01-05-2008, 01:10 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:3E7Sj.10841$Yo2.6828@trndny01...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy
fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to
barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine
is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola
oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50
percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting,
AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer
eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",


I don't recall ever hearing that. Only that grass-fed was 'leaner' with
less fat.

and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase
the "bad fat".


Again, I never heard that at all. It was a fat vs lean thing.

So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket?


That's what it said.

What about the rest of the animal?


[shrug] Don't know. The article was 'bout brisket, which is a heavily
fatted cut of cow.

Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all clear.


I found the article to be clear to me. The article was about brisket, not
about the entire cow. It explained the phenomenom of corn-feeding
producing a higher percentage of monosaturates which seems to be missing
in grass-fed beef.



here are a couple cites that say grain fed has more saturated fat than grass
fed:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...ef/index2.html

http://www.foodrevolution.org/grassfedbeef.htm

I guess Woody Allen's character in "Sleeper" was right - eating a steak is
the best thing in the world for you.


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Old 01-05-2008, 01:21 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
Dave Bugg
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Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:3E7Sj.10841$Yo2.6828@trndny01...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in
healthy fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big
thumbs up to barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man
Texas cuisine is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in
olive or canola oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in
brisket - up to 50 percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a
feedlot setting, AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The
more corn a steer eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.

Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",


I don't recall ever hearing that. Only that grass-fed was 'leaner'
with less fat.

and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and
increase the "bad fat".


Again, I never heard that at all. It was a fat vs lean thing.

So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket?


That's what it said.

What about the rest of the animal?


[shrug] Don't know. The article was 'bout brisket, which is a heavily
fatted cut of cow.

Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all
clear.


I found the article to be clear to me. The article was about
brisket, not about the entire cow. It explained the phenomenom of
corn-feeding producing a higher percentage of monosaturates which
seems to be missing in grass-fed beef.



here are a couple cites that say grain fed has more saturated fat
than grass fed:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...ef/index2.html

http://www.foodrevolution.org/grassfedbeef.htm


Right, just as I said it's about fat vs. lean. MONOsaturated fat is a
saturated fat. As the 2002 article stated:

"[The grass-fed beef] was over 70 per cent less saturated fat and over 70
per cent less total fat. So, definitely, the pasture beef is lighter than
the regular beef. The pasture beef is a healthier product for the consumer."

I guess Woody Allen's character in "Sleeper" was right - eating a
steak is the best thing in the world for you.


--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Old 01-05-2008, 01:22 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
Dave Bugg
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Shawn Martin wrote:
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in healthy
fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big thumbs up to
barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man Texas cuisine
is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in olive or canola
oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in brisket - up to 50
percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a feedlot setting,
AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer
eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.


Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",
and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and increase
the "bad fat". So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket? What about the rest of the animal? Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all clear.


Doesn't matter to me, as an honest man, I cannot afford beef. ;-)


But as a rustler....... :-)

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Old 01-05-2008, 02:15 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:H28Sj.10818$Zs1.2719@trndny07...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:3E7Sj.10841$Yo2.6828@trndny01...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in
healthy fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big
thumbs up to barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of he-man
Texas cuisine is loaded with the same type of healthy fat found in
olive or canola oil. The high level of monosaturated fat found in
brisket - up to 50 percent - comes from feeding cattle corn in a
feedlot setting, AgriLife meat scientist Stephen Smith said. The
more corn a steer eats, the higher the percentage of the good fat.

Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",

I don't recall ever hearing that. Only that grass-fed was 'leaner'
with less fat.

and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and
increase the "bad fat".

Again, I never heard that at all. It was a fat vs lean thing.

So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket?

That's what it said.

What about the rest of the animal?

[shrug] Don't know. The article was 'bout brisket, which is a heavily
fatted cut of cow.

Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all
clear.

I found the article to be clear to me. The article was about
brisket, not about the entire cow. It explained the phenomenom of
corn-feeding producing a higher percentage of monosaturates which
seems to be missing in grass-fed beef.



here are a couple cites that say grain fed has more saturated fat
than grass fed:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...ef/index2.html

http://www.foodrevolution.org/grassfedbeef.htm


Right, just as I said it's about fat vs. lean. MONOsaturated fat is a
saturated fat. As the 2002 article stated:

"[The grass-fed beef] was over 70 per cent less saturated fat and over 70
per cent less total fat. So, definitely, the pasture beef is lighter than
the regular beef. The pasture beef is a healthier product for the
consumer."


yes, but the other articles indicate that corn fed beef is better for you,
by having more of the good fat.

Human foods containing significant quantities of PUFA

are widely considered to be beneficial to health, particularly

in reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease; however, as is

discussed later in this article, oleic acid-the major MUFA in

beef and sheep meat-is becoming more widely recognised

as a dietary influence on metabolic disease in humans.



There is a growing body of information to indicate that increasing the

intake of oleic acid, the major mono-unsaturated fatty acid in beef, also

reduces risk factors for metabolic disease in humans; for this reason the

ratio of mono-unsaturated fatty acid to saturated fatty acid (MUFA/SFA)

is being used increasingly.






Scientific trials in the US have shown that

corn-fed Angus cattle have higher MUFA and PUFA than hay-fed Angus.

Corn-fed Angus can have higher MUFA than hay-fed Wagyu.

The ?9 desaturase activity appears to increase with time on feed-

the more so on some rations than others. Fatty acids typically become

less saturated between weaning and slaughter in cattle on corn-fed

diets, but not on hay-fed diets, and not necessarily on Australian grain

diets.

Several studies have shown that PUFA can be incorporated into muscle

of cattle and sheep despite the rumen biohydrogenation of fatty acids

in feeds. For instance, a British study showed that linoleic acid was

higher in the phospholipid of longissimus muscle when a concentrate

ration was fed to two breeds of steers-Aberdeen-Angus cross and

Holstein-Friesian-than if grass silage was fed.






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Old 01-05-2008, 02:31 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:H28Sj.10818$Zs1.2719@trndny07...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:3E7Sj.10841$Yo2.6828@trndny01...
Gil Faver wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:8G1Sj.8720$r12.3597@trndny03...
A tasty tidbit: Beef brisket is good for you

A&M scientists say corn-fed cattle yield meat that's high in
healthy fat Texas A&M University scientists Tuesday gave a big
thumbs up to barbecued beef brisket, saying the mainstay of
he-man Texas cuisine is loaded with the same type of healthy fat
found in olive or canola oil. The high level of monosaturated
fat found in brisket - up to 50 percent - comes from feeding
cattle corn in a feedlot setting, AgriLife meat scientist
Stephen Smith said. The more corn a steer eats, the higher the
percentage of the good fat.

Now I'm confused. Grass fed was supposed to have more "good fat",

I don't recall ever hearing that. Only that grass-fed was 'leaner'
with less fat.

and corn feeding was supposed to decrease the "good fat" and
increase the "bad fat".

Again, I never heard that at all. It was a fat vs lean thing.

So now corn feeding increases the "good fat" in
brisket?

That's what it said.

What about the rest of the animal?

[shrug] Don't know. The article was 'bout brisket, which is a
heavily fatted cut of cow.

Or does this just
pertain to certain breeds, where corn feeding makes the entire
animal's fat content better? I didn't find the article at all
clear.

I found the article to be clear to me. The article was about
brisket, not about the entire cow. It explained the phenomenom of
corn-feeding producing a higher percentage of monosaturates which
seems to be missing in grass-fed beef.


here are a couple cites that say grain fed has more saturated fat
than grass fed:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...ef/index2.html

http://www.foodrevolution.org/grassfedbeef.htm


Right, just as I said it's about fat vs. lean. MONOsaturated fat is a
saturated fat. As the 2002 article stated:

"[The grass-fed beef] was over 70 per cent less saturated fat and
over 70 per cent less total fat. So, definitely, the pasture beef is
lighter than the regular beef. The pasture beef is a healthier
product for the consumer."


yes, but the other articles indicate that corn fed beef is better for
you, by having more of the good fat.


Right. What is the confusion? I posted an article stating that corn-fed
brisket has healthy monosaturates compared to grass-fed brisket.

snip of all the quoted material....

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Old 01-05-2008, 02:35 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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Right. What is the confusion? I posted an article stating that corn-fed
brisket has healthy monosaturates compared to grass-fed brisket.

snip of all the quoted material....



I have no confusion with you Dave. I have confusion with all the other
articles and "modern thinking" that says grass fed beef is healthier for you
that corn fed. Based on the articles I have read today, I think the
opposite is true. Good night.



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Old 01-05-2008, 02:59 AM posted to alt.food.barbecue
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Gil Faver wrote:
Right. What is the confusion? I posted an article stating that
corn-fed brisket has healthy monosaturates compared to grass-fed
brisket. snip of all the quoted material....



I have no confusion with you Dave. I have confusion with all the
other articles and "modern thinking" that says grass fed beef is
healthier for you that corn fed. Based on the articles I have read
today, I think the opposite is true. Good night.


Ahhh. I get it. :-)

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


 




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