On Mar 19, 1:26*pm, "Default User" wrote:
Tutall wrote:

That is Brian and always has been Brian


Brian

And did I mention a snipper (or is that snippet) of the third order,
once removed?

bg

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:41:09 -0700, "HS" wrote:

I have been a reader and a sometimes contributor to this group for years. I
post a question and for whatever reason, it is in a bad format. And I get
flamed.

Well, no. You didn't get flamed. Not even close. Dave quoted the
HTML so you'd see how completely unreadable such posts are.

I said you didn't Get It, specifically meaning that you didn't Get
Usenet--it has its protocols, a MAJOR one of which is "NO
HTML"--Usenet is a medium for, and of, plain ASCII text.

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming, that
user needs must become fairly expert in its use. I know that "every
Windows computer has OE"--and that's at best a feeble argument for its
use. There are several free, easy-to-use newsreaders for Windows.
It's very easy to download one, install it, and try it out. I suggest
you--and anyone else using OE on Usenet, try a real newsreader.

Take a look at www.newsreaders.com -- the site's been around a long
time, and has good information.

Oh, and another reason for not using OE--it's difficult to *not*
top-post with it. And top-posting in almost all Usenet groups is at
least one of:
ignorant
rude
arrogant
stupid.
In some, it's all 4.

Take a look at Nick Cramer's post--that's what top posting looks like:
a conversation which is exactly backward.

Now, if you choose to ignore the suggestions several are making, you
will then learn just what flaming is.

"Every single religion that has a monotheistic god
winds up persecuting someone else."
-Philip Pullman
--
-denny-
(not as curmudgeonly as I useta be)

EMOVETHIS wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:41:09 -0700, "HS" wrote:

I have been a reader and a sometimes contributor to this group for
years. I post a question and for whatever reason, it is in a bad format.
And I get flamed.

Well, no. You didn't get flamed. Not even close. Dave quoted the
HTML so you'd see how completely unreadable such posts are.

I said you didn't Get It, specifically meaning that you didn't Get
Usenet--it has its protocols, a MAJOR one of which is "NO
HTML"--Usenet is a medium for, and of, plain ASCII text.

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming, that
user needs must become fairly expert in its use. I know that "every
Windows computer has OE"--and that's at best a feeble argument for its
use. There are several free, easy-to-use newsreaders for Windows.
It's very easy to download one, install it, and try it out. I suggest
you--and anyone else using OE on Usenet, try a real newsreader.

Take a look at www.newsreaders.com -- the site's been around a long
time, and has good information.

Oh, and another reason for not using OE--it's difficult to *not*
top-post with it. And top-posting in almost all Usenet groups is at
least one of:
ignorant
rude
arrogant
stupid.
In some, it's all 4.

Take a look at Nick Cramer's post--that's what top posting looks like:
a conversation which is exactly backward.

Now, if you choose to ignore the suggestions several are making, you
will then learn just what flaming is.

And boy, do we have some seasoned, expert flamers here! LMFAO

[Intentionally not snipped]

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

On Mar 19, 10:42 pm, Nick Cramer wrote:

And boy, do we have some seasoned, expert flamers here! LMFAO

LMAO!!

I am hearing Ed McMahon in my ear saying ,"hiiiyo!"

Robert

" wrote:
On Mar 19, 10:42 pm, Nick Cramer wrote:

And boy, do we have some seasoned, expert flamers here! LMFAO

LMAO!!

I am hearing Ed McMahon in my ear saying ,"hiiiyo!"

I think of "Santa Claus with a stiletto." aka W. C. Fields.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming, that
user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It goes a
long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems, especially the
automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of the post being replied
to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

I've used it for years now, and it works just as advertised.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg wrote:

Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming,
that user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It
goes a long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems,
especially the automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of the
post being replied to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

This is a big one:

"Quoting of Quoted-Printable, Base64 and even HTML messages is finally
possible."

Google Groups uses quoted-printable in some messages, and OE balks on
that, leaving off the quote markers in replies.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Denny Wheeler" wrote in message
Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly.

Oh, and another reason for not using OE--it's difficult to *not*
top-post with it.

Works for me. I've yet to see a reason to change to a "better" program.

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming, that
user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It goes a
long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems, especially the
automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of the post being replied
to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

I've used it for years now, and it works just as advertised.


The cursor placement doesn't bother me much, but screwing around trying to
correctly respond to, and quote, a quoted printable message almost had me
switching news/mail readers. I use the Firefox Browser which I would not
give up unless it was pried away from my cold dead hands, but on the other
hand I have a lot of stuff archived which is stored in the OE hierarchy and
referencing system so I don't really want to worry about exporting the
archives to some other reader program. However it would probably be the
Mozilla program if I did.

After using Firefox for almost a year, starting on a fully sanitized
computer, I have yet to have an antivirus or spyware warning go off. (Free
ZA, Free AVG, Free AdAware, No IE [with its idiotic install on demand
computer-suicide mode], no messenger chat programs except browser based
chat).

Anyway I've seen that Dave B is pretty particular about things of this sort,
so even though I am loathe to mess with plug ins, I figure if Dave's puter
has not blown up, neither will mine, and I am gonna give it a try.

MartyB in KC

Nunya Bidnits wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming,
that user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It
goes a long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems,
especially the automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of
the post being replied to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

I've used it for years now, and it works just as advertised.


The cursor placement doesn't bother me much, but screwing around
trying to correctly respond to, and quote, a quoted printable message
almost had me switching news/mail readers.

OE with QuoteFix solves that problem, too. Each different author in a thread
has a different color so the reader can easily distinguish who says what.

Dave Bugg wrote:
Nunya Bidnits wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If
one insists on using it, in order for it to come close to
conforming, that user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It
goes a long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems,
especially the automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of
the post being replied to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

I've used it for years now, and it works just as advertised.

I just installed it. The color coding on the thread levels is really cool.
Not to mention lotsa other stuff I am still checking out.

Thanks Dave!

MartyB in KC

Nunya Bidnits wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:
Nunya Bidnits wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If
one insists on using it, in order for it to come close to
conforming, that user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

I would also suggest downloading the free shareware OE QuoteFix. It
goes a long way to solving some of the more aggravating problems,
especially the automatic placement of the cursor at the bottom of
the post being replied to.

http://www.freewr.com/freeware.php?d...tefix&lid=1429

I've used it for years now, and it works just as advertised.

I just installed it. The color coding on the thread levels is really
cool. Not to mention lotsa other stuff I am still checking out.

Thanks Dave!

You're welcome, NB. Glad to pass on the info.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg wrote:


OE with QuoteFix solves that problem, too. Each different author in a
thread has a different color so the reader can easily distinguish who
says what.

XanaNews will do color coding for about three levels deep, but I don't
particularly care for that so I have them all set to black.





Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On 20-Mar-2008, "Nunya Bidnits" wrote:

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If one
insists on using it, in order for it to come close to conforming, that
user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

snip . . .


Anyway I've seen that Dave B is pretty particular about things of this
sort,
so even though I am loathe to mess with plug ins, I figure if Dave's puter
has not blown up, neither will mine, and I am gonna give it a try.

MartyB in KC

I've never been a fan of OE Marty, but I have and have tried out the OE
Quotefix program. It does what it does. For one thing it does not modify
OE, it sits in front of it and handles chores for it. You can fire up your
OE
anytime without engaging Quotefix and it will work in it's original
configuration.
SeaMonkey mail is my second choice newsreader and I use it whenever I
want to attach multiple pictures to the same post. Oh, by the way. OE
Quotefix is not a plugin. It's a standalone utility that works in
conjunction
with OE without actually modifying the original program.
--
Brick(Never bring a knife to a gunfight.)

Brick wrote:
On 20-Mar-2008, "Nunya Bidnits" wrote:

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
news:m7zEj.14590$u62.12086@trndny07...
Denny Wheeler wrote:

Outlook Express is not, and never has been, Usenet-friendly. If
one insists on using it, in order for it to come close to
conforming, that user needs must become fairly expert in its use.

snip . . .


more snip


I've never been a fan of OE Marty, but I have and have tried out the
OE Quotefix program. It does what it does. For one thing it does not
modify OE, it sits in front of it and handles chores for it. You can
fire up your OE
anytime without engaging Quotefix and it will work in it's original
configuration.
SeaMonkey mail is my second choice newsreader and I use it whenever I
want to attach multiple pictures to the same post. Oh, by the way. OE
Quotefix is not a plugin. It's a standalone utility that works in
conjunction
with OE without actually modifying the original program.

One thing, If you use quotefix, you have to uncheck the spell check box that
ignores
the origonal text in a reply. Otherwise it hoses your reply.
In the end you end up fixing everyone's spelling mistakes, e-mail addresses,
and nicknames, etc.