On 18-Feb-2008, " wrote:

X-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:47:32 EST (nwrddc01.gnilink.net)



Dave, does this mean you can't read a post if it comes through Google
groups as well? I don't have Gmail, but I do post through Google
groups as my ISP is so damn retarded (ATT/DSL) they can't get their
newsgroup server to 1) work correctly 2) stay online or 3) to keep
from losing posts.

I love the service/price otherwise as we don't have much competition
for high speed around here making the plan I have literally 50% less
than cable for the same speed.

I noticed I wasn't in your favorites list (ha! kidding...) so it won't
be a great loss, but just wondering here if you can see my posts.

Robert

I'm seeing your posts via Verizon news.

--
Brick(Youth is wasted on young people)

wrote

My AT&T news server performs much better than what you describe. Try
news.kc.sbcglobal.net. If you are an ATT subscriber you may be able to
hook
up.

I have beat myself to death trying to get their outsourced NG server
to work right. They have one that is assigned to my domain
(sbcglobal.net) that is in my area, and they say you can't hook up to
another one through ATT. Only the assigned NG server for you area/
domain.

Also, the folks on sbcglobal.help.tech.newsgroups are knowledgeable
and
friendly about helping with such problems.

Now that might be something to look into. All of my previous efforts
have been through foreign tech support. That caused all kinds of
problems, especially when I had to call back as the entire process
would start over again from their script book.

Doncha wanna strangle 'em? I just start demanding second and then third tier
support immediately using any excuse from can't understand them to just
making sh*t up to confuse them. Third tier is US and its marginally better,
and actually useful once you get a supervisor at that level. If the foreign
ATT support acts typically stupid and doesn't cooperate, (I know more than
most of them about anything I have ever called for) and you want to ****
them off too in return, mention that you don't like having to talk to
support in Pakistan (or something similar). They are in India and it really
gets their goat (perhaps literally).

I sure wish my DSL speed was a match for the cable speed around here,
but
its sure a lot cheaper, and plenty fast enough for me

DSL really worked out well for me. I don't have cable, satellite,
or any other kind of subscription service for TV. I can buy the 6 mps
for $35 a month, without any other purchase.

Yikes, its 15 bucks here added to the phone bill.

To get the a similar speed from Time Warner, I would have to have
basic cable and go up two tiers on the ladder to get their similar ISP
product. Cost from Time Warner (including mandatory basic cable
subscription) was $75 or so.

I have digital TWC with two movie channels. Its still 35 bucks more to add
cable internet but its 10-15 mb.

Since I rarely watch TV except for PBS, I didn't want to spend any
dough on cable, so it worked out great for me.

Robert

We now return you to your regular meat burning channel.

MartyB

On Feb 18, 8:42 pm, Denny Wheeler
wrote:

Get a 'Basic Basic' one year account at Newsguy--$39.95 for one year
is damn' good. And that includes some other goodies like webspace,
carryover of unused bandwidth, etc. And good spam-filtering with
SpamHippo.

SNIP of good info

Thanks, Denny. I have been alerted to newsguy before by happy
customers. I guess it just irks me to have to pay for something that
is supposed to be part of my ISP package. And perhaps if I could get
someone I could understand that knew what I was trying to do at ATT it
could still do it.

I used Dejanews (jeez... remember them?) as my newsgroup access point
for years, then they had some transitional issues. Then I used to use
AOL's newsgroup service when I had them many years ago, and that was
one of the few things they got right.

But then AOL's access went away. I had known for sometime that
Dejanews had been acquired by Google and that they had retained their
archives. So I tried using them as a portal, and it works great.
There is almost never any downtime, they keep the archives for years,
the archives are easily and quickly searched through Google, and it is
free.

I don't really need binaries, although I admit from time to time it
would be nice to access the furniture and woodworking binaries group
to see what is going on with some of the projects.

I'll tuck that information in your post away for future reference.
You never know....

Robert
I started using google groups after they bought dejanews about 100
years ago. Then I quit.

Dave Bugg wrote:
Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've
decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really
enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I
will miss (guys, please switch).

Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail.
The sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to
block on an individual basis.


I haven't noticed many here, either. From *any* domain. And I don't use a
lot of filters. Maybe there's a filter upriver at one of the ISPs that serve
up this group to my ISP or something...



--Brett

vex wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:
Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've
decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really
enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I
will miss (guys, please switch).

Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail.
The sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to
block on an individual basis.


I haven't noticed many here, either. From *any* domain. And I don't
use a lot of filters. Maybe there's a filter upriver at one of the
ISPs that serve up this group to my ISP or something...

An individual newsgroup may not receive much, if any, spam. But there are a
number of very hi-traffic newgroups which do. I do not consider AFB to be
either hi-traffic or problematic with spam. But blocking the gmail domain
name is not done by newsgroups, it is done universally. The unhappy
side-effect of doing so is that it puts the innocent into the same gulag as
the guilty, regardless of newsgroup.
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg wrote:
An individual newsgroup may not receive much, if any, spam. But there
are a number of very hi-traffic newgroups which do. I do not consider
AFB to be either hi-traffic or problematic with spam. But blocking
the gmail domain name is not done by newsgroups, it is done
universally. The unhappy side-effect of doing so is that it puts the
innocent into the same gulag as the guilty, regardless of newsgroup.


Agreed. I guess I just felt the need to comment about not seeing the amount
of spam using the news servers I use, as compared to you. I only utilize a
couple of high traffic groups. AFB is the lowest traffic of the bunch. The
higher traffic ones number ~1000msg/day.

About the only time I use my gmail account is to log in to google groups, or
google analytics, or google maps. But I never post to groups from there, I
generally use it as an archival search tool.



--Brett

vex wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:
An individual newsgroup may not receive much, if any, spam. But there
are a number of very hi-traffic newgroups which do. I do not consider
AFB to be either hi-traffic or problematic with spam. But blocking
the gmail domain name is not done by newsgroups, it is done
universally. The unhappy side-effect of doing so is that it puts the
innocent into the same gulag as the guilty, regardless of newsgroup.


Agreed. I guess I just felt the need to comment about not seeing the
amount of spam using the news servers I use, as compared to you. I
only utilize a couple of high traffic groups. AFB is the lowest
traffic of the bunch. The higher traffic ones number ~1000msg/day.

About the only time I use my gmail account is to log in to google
groups, or google analytics, or google maps. But I never post to
groups from there, I generally use it as an archival search tool.

If you do, let me know via email so I can create an exception that will let
me see your posts :-)
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg wrote:

vex wrote:

I haven't noticed many here, either.

An individual newsgroup may not receive much, if any, spam. But there
are a number of very hi-traffic newgroups which do. I do not consider
AFB to be either hi-traffic or problematic with spam. But blocking
the gmail domain name is not done by newsgroups, it is done
universally. The unhappy side-effect of doing so is that it puts the
innocent into the same gulag as the guilty, regardless of newsgroup.

What would be an almost sure-fire filter with very little collateral
damage would be to block any with gmail in the "author". Spammers don't
usually take time to create a nick for their spam accounts, and just
use the email address again.

I don't think I can get XanaNews to do that. It can filter on stuff in
the From header line, but it's not quite powerful enough to do
sophisticated parsing.

The newsreader is open-source, but written in Delphi. If it were C or
C++, I'd consider hacking it to put in all the features I think it
needs. Perhaps that's a good thing.




Brian


--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Default User" wrote in message
...
Dave Bugg wrote:

vex wrote:

I haven't noticed many here, either.

An individual newsgroup may not receive much, if any, spam. But there
are a number of very hi-traffic newgroups which do. I do not consider
AFB to be either hi-traffic or problematic with spam. But blocking
the gmail domain name is not done by newsgroups, it is done
universally. The unhappy side-effect of doing so is that it puts the
innocent into the same gulag as the guilty, regardless of newsgroup.

What would be an almost sure-fire filter with very little collateral
damage would be to block any with gmail in the "author". Spammers don't
usually take time to create a nick for their spam accounts, and just
use the email address again.

I don't think I can get XanaNews to do that. It can filter on stuff in
the From header line, but it's not quite powerful enough to do
sophisticated parsing.

The newsreader is open-source, but written in Delphi. If it were C or
C++, I'd consider hacking it to put in all the features I think it
needs. Perhaps that's a good thing.



I have very good luck running a single filter looking for any exclamation
points in the subject line. It gets most of them.



--
Reason Why It's So Hard To Solve A Redneck Murder:

All the DNA is the same.

" wrote in
:

On Feb 18, 5:47 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" wrote:

My AT&T news server performs much better than what you describe. Try
news.kc.sbcglobal.net. If you are an ATT subscriber you may be able
to hook up.

robert att / sbc for newsgroups isn't worth a darn in my area either
and hasn't been for years. osts are pretty much wiped off after a few
days in a busy group, they carry no binaries to speak of, They don't care
about newsgroups I guess. I use xnews as a reader and use
News.astraweb.com as a provider. Using the pay by download plan costs 25
dollars for 90 gigs of download. Theres no time limit on it or speed cap
I download binaries also but if you are just reading text 90 gigs is
almost unusable, they also have a 10 dollar scheme for like 25 gigs,
Still a whole lot of text. They have great retention and completion of
groups as well. and No I don't work for them just have used them for
several years and been pretty satisfied.

"Brick" wrote in message
news:zTruj.5203$kD3.4639@trnddc08...

On 18-Feb-2008, " wrote:

X-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:47:32 EST (nwrddc01.gnilink.net)



Dave, does this mean you can't read a post if it comes through Google
groups as well? I don't have Gmail, but I do post through Google
groups as my ISP is so damn retarded (ATT/DSL) they can't get their
newsgroup server to 1) work correctly 2) stay online or 3) to keep
from losing posts.

I love the service/price otherwise as we don't have much competition
for high speed around here making the plan I have literally 50% less
than cable for the same speed.

I noticed I wasn't in your favorites list (ha! kidding...) so it won't
be a great loss, but just wondering here if you can see my posts.

Robert

I'm seeing your posts via Verizon news.

--
Brick(Youth is wasted on young people)

Are you getting this?

Harry

"Harry" wrote

Are you getting this?

Harry


Getting what? g


As always, if you do not recieve this message, please report it immediately.

MartyB in KC

Nunya Bidnits wrote:

"Harry" wrote


Are you getting this?

Harry



Getting what? g


As always, if you do not recieve this message, please report it immediately.

MartyB in KC


"Uh oh. Better send out an email and let everyone know our email's
down"

Actual Quote from one of my clients

On 21-Feb-2008, "Harry" wrote:

"Brick" wrote in message
news:zTruj.5203$kD3.4639@trnddc08...

On 18-Feb-2008, " wrote:

X-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:47:32 EST (nwrddc01.gnilink.net)



Dave, does this mean you can't read a post if it comes through Google
groups as well? I don't have Gmail, but I do post through Google
groups as my ISP is so damn retarded (ATT/DSL) they can't get their
newsgroup server to 1) work correctly 2) stay online or 3) to keep
from losing posts.

I love the service/price otherwise as we don't have much competition
for high speed around here making the plan I have literally 50% less
than cable for the same speed.

I noticed I wasn't in your favorites list (ha! kidding...) so it won't
be a great loss, but just wondering here if you can see my posts.

Robert

I'm seeing your posts via Verizon news.

--
Brick(Youth is wasted on young people)

Are you getting this?

Harry

It's fine here Harry.

--
Brick(Said the Arab as he was busily eating his date.)

They're not using outsourced new servers. They may outsource the
people who run it, but these are SBC/Prodigy servers - always
have been.

They were Prodigy/Ameritech up here, but same thing.


I repeat again: news.dallas.sbcglobal.net works just fine. 99.5%
of the time (Except for the cancels issue).

I've got a choice between .chi (chicago) .kal (kalamazoo) and .det
(detroit). All of them work really well, but for an occassional hickup.
There are probably others I could get at too.

-John O