Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

I would suggest that the difference in fuel is about 3% of the equation
and the difference of design is 97%. You don't use the same orifice for
both fuels so the results should be very similar.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

wrote in message
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

The benefits of natural gas are summarized he
http://bbq.about.com/od/gasgrills/a/aa030505a.htm

But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats
wood and real wood charcoal. But, there are times when I opt for using my
gas grill.

For years I had a propane grill. In 2000 I switched to a Sunbeam natural
gas grill. I love the convenience of never worrying about how much gas I
have left. I have not had a problem with a lack of heat. In fact, I have
never really had to use the high setting.

Hope that helps
Chris

Joseph Meehan wrote:
wrote:

Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....


I would suggest that the difference in fuel is about 3% of the equation
and the difference of design is 97%. You don't use the same orifice for
both fuels so the results should be very similar.


Agreed. If proper orifice is used for either gas, they "should" put out
roughly the same heat. BTUs

wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....


When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

In article . com, " wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural gas.
It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our
grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP to
natural.

Same burner. New orifices.

It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

I agree, I won't, and will never use a gas grill. Might just as well put
the shit in the oven inside.

--
Steve Barker




"swibirun" wrote in message
.. .
But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats
wood and real wood charcoal.
Hope that helps
Chris

Weber's website seems to imply that their grills have the same btu
output whether it's the NG or propane version.

When I bought a Weber NG grill I was very surprised to see that it
cooked much hotter than my older propane grill. They're not exactly
the same model (due to the age difference) but the temperature
difference was pretty big.

A factor to consider, in addition to fuel, is what the grates are made
out of. Cast iron grates take longer to heat up but they hold heat
longer. So you should remember that even though the air temp inside
the grill might be 500 or 600 degrees, the cooking grates might not be
that hot for a while.

Shaun Eli
www.BrainChampagne.com
Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)

Newsreader wrote:

When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as
natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would
be the same, not less.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article . com,
" wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural
gas.
It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our
grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP
to
natural.

Same burner. New orifices.

It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

Rick Blaine wrote:
Newsreader wrote:

When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as
natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would
be the same, not less.

For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU
rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he

http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf

on page 2.

I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with
LP than NG as well.

In article t, "tom" wrote:

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

Wow.

That wasn't an issue for us. Since the house was heated with LP, I just
installed a line out on to the deck, and ran the grill off the house supply. I
had a shutoff right where the line exited the house (15' away from the grill),
another shutoff inside the house, and of course a main shutoff at the tank.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:50:25 GMT, "tom" wrote:


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article . com,
" wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural
gas.
It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our
grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP
to
natural.

Same burner. New orifices.

It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

Is this the place where I mention the house fire that almost killed me
and my mother? The one that was caused by a natural gas heating
system?

I don't know about the tank you had, but every single propane tank
I've ever seen has had a shutoff valve attached.

There can be catastrophic fires from NG and from propane. And from
wood and charcoal. (probably more from charcoal than any of the other
3 mentioned fuels)

But as for your "this has nothing to do with which is hotter but
rather a potential safety issue," the OP was curious about exactly the
item you dismiss, namely which burns hotter. shrug I work at a
factory which makes wood, pellet, and gas stoves & fireplaces; the gas
ones are rated at the same heating capacity with NG or LP.
(we have to do very extensive testing, btw--EPA sees to that)

-denny-
--

The test of courage comes when we are in the minority.
The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority.

Denny Wheeler wrote:


Is this the place where I mention the house fire that almost killed me
and my mother? The one that was caused by a natural gas heating
system?

I don't know about the tank you had, but every single propane tank
I've ever seen has had a shutoff valve attached.

There can be catastrophic fires from NG and from propane. And from
wood and charcoal. (probably more from charcoal than any of the other
3 mentioned fuels)

But as for your "this has nothing to do with which is hotter but
rather a potential safety issue," the OP was curious about exactly the
item you dismiss, namely which burns hotter. shrug I work at a
factory which makes wood, pellet, and gas stoves & fireplaces; the gas
ones are rated at the same heating capacity with NG or LP.
(we have to do very extensive testing, btw--EPA sees to that)

I have nothing against LP, except that it's a pain making sure the tank
is full. We had a central LP tank at our cabin, feeding a 180kBTU
central boiler, water heater and a gas grill out back. It was all
plumbed in black iron with shut offs at the tank, where it entered the
house and at each "local" connection as well.

We had another house fire years back where I took too long exiting the
house, trying to corral and save our dog. The fire origin had nothing to
do with LP or NG, except that it was near where I'd stored a spare LP
tank for my grill. I was separated by a drywalled wall from a freshly
filled 20# LP tank that exploded. The blast blew the wall out, pelted
me with shredded wall tile and moved me about 6' down the hallway. It
also buckled the floor above and destroyed another wall. It was all a
moot point, because the house burned to the ground anyway. I escaped
with only some scuffed knees, elbows, but had concussive lung damage
from the blast and also chemical burns from various fumes to the lungs.

Since then, I really don't permit LP tanks inside my house or garage-
even for storage. Autos are reluctantly accepted. I also now will never
bring a gasoline container into a house or garage or store a genset,
pressure washer, mower, blower etc. within the house, garage or basement
unless the tank is dry. Once (almost) burned, twice shy as the old
saying goes. Grin
--
---Nonnymus---

TINSTAAFL
There Is No Such Thing
As A Free Lunch

Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line
burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker




"tom" wrote in message
k.net...

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas
shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.