In article , Steve Wertz
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:27:32 -0700, gtr wrote:

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

Notice that restaurants always use glass bottles for their
table-top ketchups.

That used to be true, but not any more in my experience. These days I
hardly
ever see anything but plastic.

True but they are also pretty rapidly emptied and refilled.

I do remember seeing a plastic one recently. It was designed so
that it couldn't be refilled (or tampered with easily, is my
guess).

It's been a long time since I studied a ketchup bottle but I remember
seeing them long ago where they all said "not for refill". Why, I
don't know. Since then, many is the time I've seen two bottles stacked
neck-to-neck draining one typhoid bazaar into the next.

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In article , gtr
wrote:

In article , Steve Wertz
wrote:

Fish sauce lasts for quite a while and it's cheap.

Hmm. Most of the time I eat fish sauce it's in a Vietnamese restaurant
since I live minutes from "Little Saigon" in Westminster, CA. I do
have a big, more costly brand of same in my pantry though (glass
bottle). How long do you figure an open, unrefrigerated bottle of fish
sauce would last? It never occured to me that it wouldn't make it into
the next ice age...

Good question! Has anyone answered?

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In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:46:30 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote:

Never buy fish sauce in plastic bottles.

Why not?

Because most plastic is slightly porous. Some of those bottles
have been through hell and back before they hit the shelves,
often for another, long rest.

Although its already spoiled, if it sits in plastic too long it
will spoil in a different way. I've seen some really old fish
sauce in plastic bottles at some stores. It's not a pretty sight
- dark and cloudy.

The fact that it's in plastic bottles to begin with is a bad sign
already, fresh or not.

-sw

The brands in plastic are usually saltier than the ones packed in glass.
I've had fish sauce in plastic bottles where the salt precipitated with
time.

Cindy
Another Three Crabs supporter

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:46:06 GMT, Cindy Fuller
wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:46:30 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote:

Never buy fish sauce in plastic bottles.

Why not?

Because most plastic is slightly porous. Some of those bottles
have been through hell and back before they hit the shelves,
often for another, long rest.

Although its already spoiled, if it sits in plastic too long it
will spoil in a different way. I've seen some really old fish
sauce in plastic bottles at some stores. It's not a pretty sight
- dark and cloudy.

The fact that it's in plastic bottles to begin with is a bad sign
already, fresh or not.

-sw

The brands in plastic are usually saltier than the ones packed in glass.
I've had fish sauce in plastic bottles where the salt precipitated with
time.

I've had that happen to product in both plastic and glass bottles.

Cindy
Another Three Crabs supporter

- John Frawley

Doesn't refrigerating fish sauce make the salt precipitate out after awile?

It really is cheap enough to just replace every year (as I do with most of
my liquid condiments - why take a chance?)

Chris Brooks

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:53:53 -0700, gtr wrote:

Hmm. Most of the time I eat fish sauce it's in a Vietnamese restaurant
since I live minutes from "Little Saigon" in Westminster, CA. I do
have a big, more costly brand of same in my pantry though (glass
bottle). How long do you figure an open, unrefrigerated bottle of fish
sauce would last? It never occured to me that it wouldn't make it into
the next ice age...

Good question! Has anyone answered?

I had an off-brand (http://importfood.com/sarp4201.html) go bad
after 1.5 years. I've never had a bottle of 3 Crabs long enough
to go bad (1.5 years, usually). But I store it in the fridge
because I usually have more (and taller) room there than in the
pantry.

-sw

Hello, Steve!
You wrote on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:40:26 GMT:

?? Doesn't refrigerating fish sauce make the salt precipitate
?? out after awile?

SW I would suspect so since colder liquids can't be saturated
SW as much as warmer liquids.

SW But having the salt crystalize wouldn't be a bad thing.
SW Most fish sauces have a lot to begin with - plenty enough
SW to spare. And you can't trust the sodium content listed on
SW the bottles.

SW I find 3 Crabs to be the least saltiest. But it has MSG,
SW too.

Since many people feel strongly, I am not going to get into a
fight even if am a sceptic about msg and will not respond to
anecdotes about horrible experiences. I have never seen salt
precipitation from the Golden Boy sauce that I keep in the
refrigerator but I tend to doubt that any loss will do much
harm. I wonder how the manufacturers obtain the alleged dietary
contents on many imported foods and tend to suspect pure
optimistic guesswork? I have seen Indian poppadums with
apparently identical recipes from different manufacturers one
saying 0% fat and the other 2%.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

In article , ArmisBrooks
wrote:

It really is cheap enough to just replace every year (as I do with most of
my liquid condiments - why take a chance?)

Truly. But one tends to overlook the passage of time until it's
demonstrated in such things.

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In article , James
Silverton wrote:

I wonder how the manufacturers obtain the alleged dietary contents on
many imported foods and tend to suspect pure optimistic guesswork? I
have seen Indian poppadums with apparently identical recipes from
different manufacturers one saying 0% fat and the other 2%.

Years ago when I was watching my sodium I began purchasing a fantastic
ranch salad dressing at the local market with microscopic sodium level.
A year later I noted it had jumped to a staggering level. It tasted no
different. Clearly they had gimped the first label run.

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