Hello to all.

Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?

Thanks

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Demoness Abigor wrote:

Hello to all.

Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?

Other than mashing them into a meatball mixture, tempura is the only
other item that comes to mind. When I was a kid, my mother used to buy
french fries that were made from mashed vegetables. We love `em.

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Dan

"Demoness Abigor" wrote in message
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Hello to all.

Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?

Thanks

The easiest way to hide vegetables is by making sushi rolls with fish and
veggie combinations (salmon thin, cooked carrots work nicely). The second
easiest is to blindfold him, then tie him ot a chair and force-feed him. No
doubt there is a connection between his continuing dislike of vegetables and
your willingness to hide them from him; it might be easier to tell him that
he needs to find at least two vegetables he can stand and learn how to make
those, rather than having an unhealthy slug around the house who needs to be
babied. When I told my partner I hated veggies, he simply kept serving them
until I found some I liked- and made it clear that if I didn't find some I
liked, I could look for another boyfriend.

While there's no doubt that tempura is delicious, a true 'veggie hater'
won't be fooled. That's fine if your husband is five years old, but at some
point he needs to learn the joy of having something else in his diet besides
starches and meats, perhaps before his teeth and hair fall out from
malnutrition which is a real risk for veggie-avoiders.

Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl pants,
but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a Klingon
diner is very cool indeed. Besides- okonomiyaki ( a veggie 'pancake' mixed
with egg and topped with meat as well as paper-thin bonito flakes) looks
really freaky, with the bonito flakes moving from the heat of the pancake

"Demoness Abigor" wrote in message
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Hello to all.

Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?

Thanks


That is a tough request. Japanese cuisine is as heavy on vegetables as it is
on fish, meat and rice.
Even in tenpura, only in a kakiage form would the contents not seem like
obvious vegetables.
What kind of vegetables does your husband not like?
Tororo Imo is not vegetanbe like but one would have to be able to eat it.
Can he eat seaweeds like nori , wakame and hjiki? They are pretty
non-vegetable like.

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]
Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl
pants,
but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.


Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

Peter

[...]

Peter Dy wrote:

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]

Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl

pants,

but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.



Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

Yes, but neither of the cultures have booming populations.

--
Dan

"Dan Logcher" wrote in message
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Peter Dy wrote:

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]

Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl

pants,

but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a
Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.



Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing
people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one
fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some
cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking
of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

Yes, but neither of the cultures have booming populations.


I don't understand.

And it seems like the Tibetans do have a birth rate (14 per thousand) that
is higher than western European countries and higher than that of Chinese.
(Though this is only after Tibet was incorporated into the PRC. There life
expectancy has also jumped up by 30 years after the Chinese took over. Due
to greater exposure to vegetables?)

I was just saying that if one eats 2 bowls of rice with meat every day for
lunch and dinner, while someone else is eating salads laden with fatty
dressings, followed by a steak, steamed brocolli, and a buttered baked
potato for lunch and dinner, that the latter will get fatter due to higher
caloric intake, even though vegetables are part of the latter's diet.


Peter

Peter Dy wrote:
+ Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one fat.

There's been long debates about this. Half the debate claims that
not eating vegetables will make one unhealthy, no matter if one is fat
or not. The other half says that simply losing weight is good enough
to become more healthy. Both sides may very well be right.

I generally consider myself to hate vegetables. However, I love various
forms and preparations of wakame and konbu, I like cucumbers inside
sushi, I like bean sprouts in yakisoba, I like Chinese cabbage in
sukiyaki, and I even like broccoli tempura. The various root-type
veggies (like lotus root and leeks) don't seem veggie-ish to me either.
If they have to be hidden, you can put veggies in gyoza (but they get
harder to wrap as the veggie ratio increases) and I've seen greenery
sticking out of tamago sushi before. I don't know if yams or edamame
count as vegetables (the probably count as starch and protein, but they
come from plants, at least), but those are good too. For non-Japanese
dishes, I like tomatoes (raw), stuffed bell peppers, grilled zucchini (on
a beef skewer), and spinach, mushroom, and mozzerella omelets. If you
throw enough mandarin oranges, cranberries, nuts, feta, and balsamic
vinagrette on spinach, I'll eat the spinach to get the other stuff.
If you make your own fresh (or almost-fresh...) fruit smoothies or
shakes, it's generally possible to drop some carrot, celery, lettuce
or other veggie stuff into the shake without being able to taste it,
especially if you use banana. Blended-up bananas tend to cover up
a lot of things, and smoothies/shakes are a delicious way to use up
Costco-portioned fruits and veggies very quickly if they're on the verge
of going bad (hence the almost-fresh comment).

I agree with the other poster -- if someone is steadfastly refusing
to give any sort of veggies a chance just because they're veggies, they
need to progress beyond the mental age of 5. Beyond that, there's very
likely some form of veggie or another that can be prepared in a way that
is palatable to any taste.

Tea wrote:
[about a veggie hater husband]
+ at some point he needs to learn the joy of having something else in
+ his diet besides starches and meats

Yes, like candy, nuts, and chocolates!
Or, better yet, candied nuts _in_ chocolate! ;-)

There's a whole lot more to eat than starches, meats, and veggies...

Demoness Abigor wrote:
+ Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
+ vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
+ feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?
[...]
+ |Demoness Abigor|net.goth|The Pinkest Deceptagon in da world!
[...]
+ |Josh: you mentioned Transformers! and didn't use the words "are lame"
+ in the same sentence! you are my dream girl!

I take it Josh is your husband...?

I forgot to mention eggplant. It tends to be one of the more meat-like
veggies. And mushrooms, but they probably don't count as veggies.
Miso and curry can often make veggies more palatable too.

It would probably be easier to come up with something useful if you
mentioned what your husband _does_ like. If he's a steak person, then
maybe you want to look more for a veggie-in-meat thing. (As a meat-lover,
I know that, no matter what the propaganda might say, there's just _no_
substitute for meat. Mushrooms and eggplants still need a side or a mix
of _real_ meat.) If he likes starches, maybe try yams or mixing things
into mashed potatoes and frying it (although that might be Hawaiian
rather than Japanese?). If he likes sweets, maybe aim for something like
crystalized ginger or stuff with green bean or red bean (although
those might not qualify as veggies anymore either). And so on.

"Betty Lee" wrote in message
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Tea wrote:
[about a veggie hater husband]
+ at some point he needs to learn the joy of having something else in
+ his diet besides starches and meats

Yes, like candy, nuts, and chocolates!
Or, better yet, candied nuts _in_ chocolate! ;-)

There's a whole lot more to eat than starches, meats, and veggies...

Ah, yes. The other three food groups...
Actually, where my family is from, the four food groups are meat, lard,
starch and sugar.
Protein can keep you lean. However, there have been numerous studies in the
Atkins diet and others that show an all or nearly all protein diet does put
a strain on the heart after a while, and leaves the body vitamin-deficient.
I love a good piece of meat, but meat by itself will not keep you healthy.
Besides, many veggie-haters use the 'meat is good for you' as an excuse to
eat carb-heavy foods like processed meat fast food, which is full of sugar
and starch. We now know that Mickey D's isn't good for anybody except the
stock-holders.

Even is the Demoness' husband has reverted (or progressed- yum) to eating
meat cooked over a fire or inthe oven, if the cuts are fatty or excessive,
he'll still get fat. 4,00 calories of Kobe beef is still 4,000 calories, no
matter how you (sorry, couldn't resist) slice it. Since I've yet to find a
veggie eater that lives on steak Tartare, though, I think we can assume that
starch is a major supplement to hubby's diet. Chances are that hubby is not
a health freak, so all the bread and pasta is probably made out of white
flour and sugar, which are bad for the body in large amounts. Add butter or
oils for frying those egg sandwiches, and you'll be keeping both your
dentist and your heart specialist very happy indeed. Even people with fast
metabolisms have been know to get heart attacks from such diets.
Which still leaves me with the contention that too much meat and starch
(particularly the way Americans eat it) is not good for anybody. I think
even Dr. Atkins would agree on that one. If he didn't, he wouldn't be a
zillionaire by now- because as we keep getting told, Americans are way too
fat, and they didn't get that way from having a meat diet of fresh fish or
lean cuts of meat.

"Peter Dy" wrote in message
y.com...

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]
Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl
pants,
but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a
Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.


Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing
people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Kinda. A lot of Goth women call their guys 'bois'. One thing about many
Goths- a lot of them see thinness as an ideal. And a lot of the guys look
real cute in leather and vinyl pants.

If women have been gotten to exercize and eat right by appeals to their
vanity, men who are fashion conscious can too.

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some
cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

But they also don't eat tons of meat, either, especially in comparison to
their work load. Most US meat eaters are driving around in SUVs, not
plowing the field with oxen or catching dinner through ice-fishing.

"Betty Lee" wrote in message
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Demoness Abigor wrote:
+ Just looking for a little feedback on this. My husband does not like
+ vegetables and I would love to make a dish for him. Any suggestions or
+ feedback on how to 'hide them' per se?
[...]
+ |Demoness Abigor|net.goth|The Pinkest Deceptagon in da world!
[...]
+ |Josh: you mentioned Transformers! and didn't use the words "are lame"
+ in the same sentence! you are my dream girl!

I take it Josh is your husband...?


OK, now I see why this "goth" stuff came up. Hehe. I thought Demoness was
a first name.

I say, let Josh be a carnivore. Just because the mainstream tells you to
eat vegetables, doesn't mean you got to follow them like lemmings, does it?
There are vegetarians, there are even vegans, so why not carnivorians? More
power to Josh, I say.

Met a handsome, young, slim Norwegian a few years back who grew up on a
farm. He didn't like veggies either. What vegetables do you like?
"Chicken," he told me. It will be fine. Lots of cultures out there who
aren't vegetable-obsessed.

Peter

PS. Just don't let him eat so much that he looks bad in black vinyl pants.

"Peter Dy" wrote in message
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"Dan Logcher" wrote in message
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Peter Dy wrote:

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]

Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl

pants,

but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a
Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.



Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing
people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one
fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some
cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking
of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

Yes, but neither of the cultures have booming populations.


I don't understand.

And it seems like the Tibetans do have a birth rate (14 per thousand) that
is higher than western European countries and higher than that of Chinese.
(Though this is only after Tibet was incorporated into the PRC. There
life
expectancy has also jumped up by 30 years after the Chinese took over.
Due
to greater exposure to vegetables?)

I was just saying that if one eats 2 bowls of rice with meat every day for
lunch and dinner, while someone else is eating salads laden with fatty
dressings, followed by a steak, steamed brocolli, and a buttered baked
potato for lunch and dinner, that the latter will get fatter due to higher
caloric intake, even though vegetables are part of the latter's diet.


Peter


But Tibet actually proves what I'm saying!
Starches and lots of meat will make people fat. Those starches can come in
the form of heavily sugared and oiled salad dressings out of a bottle and
the meat can be a Wendy's special. If you have a high caloric intake (and
the way most of us eat, we do) you'll get fat. But the Demoness wasn't
asking about how to serve her husband Seven Seas salad dressing- if you
slather your salad with that, you're not going to lose weight. The same
thing applies to tempura- frying veggies after battering them and making
that a staple of one's diet is dangerous.
Luckily, no one in Tibet eats that way. Many Tibetans also get constant
exercize, which is important to maintaining weight loss and keeping muscle
tone. But are a lot of people fooling themselves when they pour the dressing
on the chicken Ceasar salad? Yes. Read the salad dressing label- one is
only supposed to use a small amount. Actually, it's cheaper and better to
use you own, which won't contain salts, sugars, or starches.

All of this ignores that a grwon man ought to be able to eat vegetables
without his wife 'hiding them'. As a culture I think we are often way too
indulgent about food- our bodies crave sweets and fats, and so we now put
both in everything to near exclusion of common sense. One of my co-workers
pretty much lives on McDonald's because he likes meat. But what he doesn't
realize is that there's hardly any meat there- he's eating mostly starch and
sugar. The same would be true if he bought a McDonnald's salad and used all
the dressing in the packeage.

"Tea" wrote in message
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"Peter Dy" wrote in message
y.com...

"Tea" wrote in message
...
[...]
Another way of convincing him- fat goth bois don't look good in vinyl
pants,
but eating food that looks to many Americans as if it came from a
Klingon
diner is very cool indeed.


Hehe! That's one of the funnier suggestions I've seen for convincing
people
to keep slim. Is "bois" a typo? Or is it like "rulez"?

Kinda. A lot of Goth women call their guys 'bois'. One thing about many
Goths- a lot of them see thinness as an ideal. And a lot of the guys look
real cute in leather and vinyl pants.


Ah, thanks.


If women have been gotten to exercize and eat right by appeals to their
vanity, men who are fashion conscious can too.

Anyway, I don't think it is true that not eating vegetables makes one
fat.
Doesn't it have to do with caloric intake? I thought that in some
cultures
vegetables are rarely eaten, yet the people aren't fat -- I'm thinking
of
Eskimos and Tibetans.

But they also don't eat tons of meat, either, especially in comparison to
their work load. Most US meat eaters are driving around in SUVs, not
plowing the field with oxen or catching dinner through ice-fishing.


Goths drive SUVs?! No, that's not good.

And the OP didn't say that her husband ate "tons of meat." I think it is
possible to eat no vegetables and still be healthy and slim.

Peter