dh@. wrote:
On 5 Jan 2007 10:46:41 -0800, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" wrote:

Geoff is a rarity--a follower of JC who is a good guy.


Geoff wrote:
Cruelty to Animals: Mechanized Madness
. . .

Take a stand against cruelty to animals: By switching to a vegetarian
diet, you will save more than 100 animals a year.

That's a blatant lie. Switching to a vegetarian diet has never
saved a single animal, and never will. In contrast to that,
becoming a more conscientious consumer of animal products
CAN contribute to decent lives for animals raised for food.

· From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

Here we see plowing:
http://tinyurl.com/8fmxe

and here harrowing:
http://tinyurl.com/zqr2v

both of which kill animals by crushing, mutilation, suffocation,
and exposing them to predators. We can see that planting
kills in similar ways:
http://tinyurl.com/k6sku

and death from herbicides and pesticides needs to be
kept in mind:
http://tinyurl.com/ew2j5

Harvesting kills of course by crushing and mutilation, and
it also removes the surviving animals' food, and it exposes
them to predators:
http://tinyurl.com/otp5l

In the case of rice there's additional killing as well caused
by flooding:
http://tinyurl.com/qhqx3

and later by draining and destroying the environment which
developed as the result of the flooding:
http://tinyurl.com/rc9m3

Cattle eating grass rarely if ever cause anywhere near
as much suffering and death. ·
http://tinyurl.com/q7whm


No answer is perfect--theare are nearly 8,000,000,000 humanoids
on this planet. dh always argues these same points but never
concedes that a change in human attitude would help.

it all boils down to the unlimited harm caused by SPECIES-ISM.