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Default Baking in the 18th Century

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>>Not many of our ancestors here in the South, especially the ScotsIrish
>>>sort from whom I'm descended on most of one side, Campbells and Clarks,

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>>Campbells are Highland Scots and not likely to have been Scot-Irish.

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> That's nuts. The Campbell lands are the closest to Ireland of any part
> of Scotland - you can *see* Ireland from there, all the way from Kintyre
> to Islay. The Campbells were among the first groups to participate in
> the 17th century Plantation.
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>>Highland Scots came directly to the Carolinas -- Cape Fear area of North
>>Carolina and Pee Dee River area of South Carolina in the 18th century.

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>Which is true, but it doesn't mean some didn't arrive via Ireland as well.



The Highland Scots who came to the Carolinas in the 19th century were
the Highland middle class, which is to say that they were much better
off than people at the bottom and not nearly so well off as people at
the top. I have no idea what this means as to how they would have done
their cooking in Scotland or in the colonies. These Scots were
generally the rent collectors for the clan chiefs. Both the renters and
the rent collectors lost their sources of livelihood after the English
literally threw those renters out of their houses, children and very old
women included, and pulled down their houses to replace them with sheep.
I am sure the renters ended up in the Irish plantation system if they
lived long enough to get there without starving. Certainly, many of
those Scots ended up in America -- and some may have ended up in the
Carolinas and be ancestors of T Oliver for all I know. But it is much
more likely that they were part of the huge diaspora of middle class
Scots who came directly from Scotland to the Carolinas, lived in huge
Gaelic-speaking communities from Cape Fear area of North Carolina to the
Pee Dee River in South Carolina. I have ancestors among them; I have
done considerable genealogical research and examined countless family
charts and am familiar with their history.

My interest here is trying to shed some light on the origin of tea
cakes. I have a deadline and I prefer not to stray into unrelated areas
of debate. I thank you for your first post which has given me
considerable pause for thought and caused me to re-think some of my ideas.

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