On 2 Sep 2006 22:20:36 -0700
"cwdjrxyz" wrote:
Mark Lipton wrote:
Emery Davis wrote:
"The shiraz, or scyras vine, was afterwards introduced. It succeeded
to admiration. ... and the sterile hillside was soon converted into
a vineyard."
I've never before heard "scyras" for syrah, and this is perhaps some
indication that "shiraz" enjoys a much longer association with the
English language than I had given it credit for. Can anyone come up
with an older reference of "shiraz" for "syrah?"
Here's a reference to the use of scyras in an 1840 publication from
Austrialia:
http://www.wineloverspage.com/nz/syrahshiraz.shtml
In there, it is claimed that "scyras" is a European rendering of "Shiraz."
The Redding book I noted was the 1851 edition. However there is an
early 1833 edition of the book at
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OC...um=50&as_brr=1
Scyras also is mentioned there with a claim that a monk may have
brought it from Persia.
You find few wine books in English much earlier than this, but many
books that mention wine in passing.
I will pass along a massive French cookbook from 1827 that has 760
pages. I have not had time to examine it in detail, but there is likely
some discussion of wine in it.
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The Art of French Cookery 1827, 760 pp
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OC...bZhQmRG30YAw-4
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Thanks cwd. Actually I found the quote about the Shiraz origin in the Redding also,
some pages later. I guess we will have to admit that the designation of Shiraz
has some historical precedent and legitimacy after all.
The cookbook is very interesting and I look forward to spending a bit more time with it.
On the subject of wine it doesn't have a tremendous amount to say, but there is
a very interesting list of "top Bordeaux" which doesn't as far as I can tell reflect
the 1855 classification at all! (This said I only glanced at it quickly).
Thanks again for the links and cheers,
-E
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Emery Davis
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