On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, vincent p. norris wrote:

Off the top of my head...

Sierra Nevada
North Coast Old No. 38
St. Ambrose oatmeal stout (McAuslan Brewing Co., IIRC)
Bell's Double Cream Stout
Bell's Expedition Stout
Goose Island oatmeal stout
Dogfishead World Wide Stout
Victory Storm King Imperial Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
North Coast Old Rasputin
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Sheaf Stout

Thanks. The only one of those I've found is the Sierra Nwevada, which
I'll agree is a marvelous stout. I'll be on the lookout for any others
that might be available here.

One you didn't mention that I thought excellent is Black Hawk, but the
local shop handled it only briefly, and then said it was not longer
available. Probably not the whole truth.

My smart-ass response to which stouts are better than Guinness would be
"pretty much all of them." I find Guinness to be incredibly overrated. It's
thin, one-dimensional and not all that interesting.

After absorbing a lot of Guinness during three weeks in Ireland, I
can't agree with that.

I've heard, but don't know if it's true, that the so-called Guinness
sold in the U.S. is brewed by A-B. Perhaps it's that beer you're
describing.


no that is not true.

(Guinness Extra Stout in bottles is brewed by Labatt's, but the draught
and the can-draught and bottle-draught is from ireland)