On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:56:04 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:

dh@. wrote in message ...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:27:56 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:

dh@. wrote

See if you and some students can calculate how many more
animals experience life because humans eat meat, than would
if humans did not.

Given all the factors involved that is impossible to determine,

Close enough would be close enough.

No,

Yes, it sure would.

impossible to even come close. In the zero-sum world that is nature, one
tonne of feed harvested and fed to a single steer might eliminate the food
resource support for 100,000 field mice,

Now many farm mice does it support along with the steer?

but who knows? The good thing is
that it doesn't matter. I don't care if millions of field mice never exist,
I don't care if steers never exist, nobody does. The only reason to care
about them is UTILITY.

As I continually explain: You are so completely consumed by
your own selfishness that you are unable to consider the animals
themselves, and therefore unable to even try to consider which
practices are and are not cruel TO THEM.