On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:43:18 -0600, Rat & Swan wrote:

For me, to strive toward living as a vegan is to make a statement
about my view of the basic moral standing of non-human animals: that
they are not things to be bought and sold as commodities, or to be
deliberately
killed to be used as food or other products. As with humans, that is
not to say that others do not suffer as a result of our actions in the
world, or that any of us cannot reduce our negative impact and increase
our positive impact. But that is not the point. Veganism says one thing
and one thing only, and it says it clearly and unambiguously: animals
have a certain basic moral status which does not permit us justly to buy
and sell their bodies, alive or dead, whole or in part, any more than we
can justly buy and sell human bodies in the same circumstances. We
should refuse to allow Antis to bury this one basic truth under an
obfuscating avalanche of irrelevant material.

Rat

Facts that veg*ns want to disregard:

1.The meat industry provides life for the billions of animals who are
killed so we can eat them.
2. Some of the animals raised for food have decent lives.
3. Veg*nism does nothing to provide decent lives for farm animals.
4. Veg*nism does nothing to help or provide more life for any animals.
5. People can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but they
can't do it by being veg*n.
6. Veg*ns contribute to most of the same animal deaths that everyone
else does by their use of wood, paper, roads, buildings, electricity,
things that contain animal by-products, and the veggies they eat.
7. Some types of meat involve fewer animal deaths than some types of
veggies.
8. Some types of meat involve less animal suffering than some types of
veggies.