"LordSnooty" wrote in message
news:5dj4pvobp1q2m7tdmsh2li4q89fj17i721@earthlink. net...
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:10:22 -0700, "Dutch" wrote:

"tortrix" wrote
"Dutch" wrote

Never lose sight of the fact that no-one's hands are clean.
Animals
are
killed in every type of food production, not to mention in the
development of the medicines and treatments and other modern
conveniences that support our comfort, longevity and quality of
life.

And the deaths and suffering of humans has also contributed to
our comfort, longevity and quality of life.

That's a red herring, the topic under discussion in this newsgroup is
specifically animals that die serving human needs. Your attempt to
cloud
the issue is noted, but I've seen it before.

If it's a red herring, it's your red herring in reverse with your
claims that it doesn't matter how an animal is going to die if it's
gonna die anyway.

I've never made such a claim. Even if I had, THAT would not be it in
reverse. If you would get down off your soapbox for one minute and
listen you might start to know what others are saying.

It is all a matter of degree -- something which Rick Etter and Jon
Ball cannot grasp.

What degree are you talking about? Please don't be vague.

Certainly wouldn't be an educational one....

I'd like it if people's comments were enlightening at least in some
small way. "it's a matter of degree" is too vague to have any meaning,
tortrix has obviously not thought out his position.

It's a cheap rush to single out and point fingers at others.

That's right.

Glad you admit it.

What's wrong with pointing out the guilty?

If you live in modern society, consume factory farmed plant foods and
benefit from modern medicine, you have no moral authority. Look to
yourself.

Like the way assholes point fingers at animal rights
activists,

No, I point out your fallacious thinking because I hope to help you,

You're a troll and a bad one, you have no humanity in your dwarven
body, so don't kid us

It's true, you're seriously deluded and I feel empathy for you.

I
don't get a feeling of moral superiority out if it.

Just as well, you have no right.

Just as ARAs have no right to feel superior.

I think you're in
the grip of a mind-virus.

Yes, it's called crutch.

True, it IS a crutch, like a drug. Real life waits on the other side if
you'll just drop it.

or environmental activists, or communists, or liberals,
or feminists, or criminals or extremists
or any other group of individuals for the assholes' or society's
troubles and woes.

It's true that self-righteousness is a widespread disease, but ARAs
have
a particular version of it that is relevant in this discussion.

How sad a life you lead to never understand humility, caring, ethics
or morals.

Another red herring?

No, it's an ad homimem fallacy. btw, are YOU *actually* claiming to
possess humility?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!