i have no responsibility to prove anything to you. you are obviously
closed minded anyway. to say it is worthless propoganda shows your
point of view already. why should I waste my time. the truth is, it is
NOT worthless propaganda when people who have spent their lifetimes
raising cattle tell their stories. photos don't lie either.

Jonathan Ball wrote:

Gary Beckwith wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:


now, i have to take particular issue with your portrayal of the meat
industry providing a good life for many animals. That simply is NOT
true. The vast majority of animals raised for meat live HORRIBLE
lives. They are confined to very small areas, pumped with hormones,
body parts removed, and killed in very painful and inhumane ways.

Prove any of this. Get busy.



I don't have to prove it, there are dozens of books already written,

Cite them.

with photos, first hand accounts from farmers, etc. read Diet for A New
America.

Worthless propaganda by someone who ought to know
better, and probably does, but willfully lies.




Do you
know how a beef cattle is killed? Look it up, it's disgusting. I know,
I live in farm country and I see it every day.

Beef cattle are not slaughtered in farm country. Stop
lying.


My point was not about WHERE they are slaughtered, it is about HOW. The
WHERE has nothing to do with it.

Liar. You claimed to know the HOW because you live in
farm country, which is a WHE

I know [how beef cattle are slaughtered], I live in
farm country and I see it every day.

You LIED. You do NOT see it every day. In fact, you
filthy liar, you have NEVER seen it.

Admit it: you LIED.



Even dairy cows are
often confined to indoor barns and never get to roam. I drive by a
dairy farm almost every day, that is basically a huge metal building
full of cows that can't even turn around. I've never seen them let
outside in years.

You've never been inside the building, either, so you
don't know what you're talking about.

Predictably, no comment. You liked about your
knowledge of dairy cattle operations, too.

Just out of curiosity, is there anything you HAVEN'T
lied about in this thread?



your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
crop that kills more animals than meat?

Fields are disced, and when the crops are harvested,
heavy machinery again drives through the fields,
killing animals.


killing what animals? the bugs in the soil? this is rediculous.

No, dummy. Burrowing mammals, birds, reptiles. What's
"rediculous" [sic] about it?