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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:01 GMT, wrote:


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than it would for them to consider the fact that
they could contribute to less animal deaths by eating some
types of meat than by eating some types of veggies?

Why do you think people ought to place any value on the
unborn farm animals' mere potential to "get to
experience life"?


Meat eating provides life for billions of animals.

You keep harping on that. In four and a half years,
you have yet to show why anyone should care about it.
No sensible person does.

Veg*nism does not.

Irrelevant, except to you.

If you can think of no reason(s) for that aspect of the
situation to be taken into consideration then you should avoid
discussing it,

If you think you have a reason *why* anyone should
consider it, present it. I doubt you have.

unless you can explain why it should *not* be
taken into consideration.

That's not how it works. YOU need to show why it
*should* be considered. From where I sit, and
apparently from where most opponents of animal rights
sit, it deserves no consideration at all. It is
meaningless.

As yet none of you have been able
to explain why we should consider that meat production kills
animals,

That's patently false.

but we should avoid considering that it also provides
those same animals with life.

Because "getting to experience life" is morally
meaningless, while deliberately killing animals has
moral meaning to most people.



Why do you think they should avoid considering the fact
that they can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but
not by being a veg*n?

Ummm...because it isn't a fact.


Then explain how being a veg*n contributes to decent lives
for farm animals, and for which particular farm animals.

*Being* a "veg*n", whatever that is, is not intended to
contribute to any quality of life for farm animals.
It's a big mystery why you can't see this.



Since it is not a
fact, there's nothing for them to consider.

Why do you think that people who don't want there to BE
any farm animals ought to try to "contribute to decent
lives" for them? That's idiotic and contradictory.


I don't.

Yes, you clearly do. You want farm animals to exist,
and you think everyone should want them to exist.

What I point out is for people who want farm animals
to have decent lives, *not!* for you people who don't want there
to be any farm animals.

No, that's a bald lie. You are trying to trick vegans
into wanting farm animals to be born and "get to
experience life". Everyone can see what a stupid
attempt at a trick it is.



This nonsense about "contributing to decent lives for
farm animals" is clearly a ruse. Your poorly
disguised, clearly obvious goal is to try to persuade
people to eat meat in order to keep farm animals in
existence. No one is fooled by your shoddy ruse.


Some farm animals have decent lives and some do not, just
as is true with wildlife, pets, humans, etc.

Non sequitur.

People who want to
contribute to decent lives for farm animals should *not* be veg*ns.

There's your shabby trick, again.

They should be more conscientious consumers.

People who believe that deliberately killing animals to
eat them is immoral should not consume meat.