On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:09:02 GMT, "Helen Back"
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:26:17 -0500, "rk" wrote:


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| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or
T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1


anyone who was reading longer than a day would know that Helen was a
type 2. they would also know that she didn't say a hypo should be
treated with bacon and eggs. however. A mild type 2 hypo could
easily be treated with bacon, eggs, and a little juice and or a
biscuit. Amazingly enough even a mild type 1 hypo can be treated in
the same manner.

Thank you, Mack. I didnt explain myself to rk for the simple reason
being that my "bacon and eggs in the pocket" comment was a joke (hence
the :P) - and the fact that rk ended with a dismissive "OUT".

Yes, it very obviously was a joke but for some type 2's, including myself,
ANY food can bring me out of a hypo. Even mostly protein.

That's how I stop getting low bg crashes by eating a protein enriched
breakfast - it allows me to last a few hours as opposed to a couple.
Especially if I decide, on a whim, to go for long walks in the middle of
nowhere. Wales is full of large expanses of green hills and mountains (with
the odd castle on top!).

I will normally eat 1 rasher of bacon, 2 poached eggs and a couple of
mushrooms with a slice of linseed/soya toast - followed by a handful of
raspberries and yoghurt.

Yes that's the A answer, fuel up *before* exercising so you don't get
as far as the hypo (or liver dump, depending on time of day)

I do low and fairly constant levels of gardening, housework, walking
etc. all the time, the a few times a year I'll have major purges on
the garden.

Last spring I really got my input sorted against my output, I added
some extra carbs and fat after my normal low-spike breakfast with the
intention of getting my BG up around 6 (110)efore starting, to avoid
the morning liver dump, then used a couple of oatcakes with almond
butter and some ryebread and butter as boluses during the exertion.

First it looked like I'd blown it as I went up to 7.1 (130) which was
probably the result of a minor infection rather than overcarbing, as
the entire rest of the day (including a prolonged gentle walk to
relieve the post-gardening stiffness) I was absolutely nailed at 4.8
(86) to the extent that I was tempted to bang my meter on the desk in
case it had gotten stuck . . .

That one morning I dare to speak of again, I didnt allow myself time to eat
properly - it was a slice of bread and a pear, I think. And, of course, a
brisk walk on a steep hill caused me to plunge. My bg was 3.8 (68.4) - and
how I managed to prick my finger, considering how bad my hands were shaking,
I do not know!

Before the days of dx, anything sugary (mainly mars bars, snickers,
whatever) that I took when I felt *ill* would make me feel even sicker. So,
I would crash into a bakery and buy myself a sandwich or a meat pasty of
some kind and that would help immensely. But its only since dx that I find
dark choc of the 70%+ variety that brings me up in a comfortable way.

In days of yore I realise I'd treat myself in similar circumstances
with a thick slice of Healthy Wholewheat Bread with cheese or peanut
butter, or a bacon butty, washed down with a cup of sweet coffee.

In retrospect I can now see that this was my attempt without really
knowing what I was doing to deal with the hypo I didn;t know I was
having: the fast carb (sugar in the coffee) would kick my BG up and
the bread would keep it up - far too high, of course, which would
cause a rebound low, and here we go roller-coastering again. This
would probably still be doable in the face of strenuous and continued
exercise, but IME small and often is the best way to override a broken
control system.

I'm still learning about the complex and technical way in which we have to
learn about the do's and dont's of diabetes and I have read that sugar IS
the worst thing one can eat to bring bg up - but I simply find the lower
sugar content of a dark choc bar enough to bring me out of the crash of low
bg.

It is about individuals chosen method of recuperation and its also about a
person knowing their own body and its reactions to certain situations.
And it is different for everyone.

Yes that's the point, to some extent us Type 2s are like a Type1 with
only a basal and no bolus - we may still have a workable Phase 2
without the Phase 1 and a really slow carb/fat combo over time is much
more doable than for a Type 1 who *needs* faster carbs to match the
insulin activity curve.

Of course, the most obvious moral of the story (for me) is: eat a proper
breakfast before engaging in any high impact, cardiovascular exercise.

(Those ancient castles sure are pretty close up!!) )))

So's Castell Coch