On Dec 31 2007, 3:30 pm, wrote:
I agree Steve but I don't think anyone is dismissing anyone else.
There are always several ways to skin a cat and dismissing one over
the other is where the danger is. I know exactly what both points of
view are trying to say. As long as "newbies" don't take a link as FU,
I'm sure we'll all be fine. That's what links are for. To save typing
it in again. If the "newbie" takes it as if I typed the whole thing
myself ( plagerizing it) then all will be fine.OTOH, if I type a short
answer and the newbie doesn't think I have time for him or he doesn't
interpret my short answer as FU then we'll be fine too. I'm more of
the type where I'd rather someone give me the whole enchillada and let
me peruse it at my own leisure. Then if I still have questions about
the details I won't feel shy about asking them.

Bob

On Dec 31, 1:18 pm, spud wrote:

OTOH pointing a fellow to an endless wealth of information is no small
aid IMO. In fact one could argued more helpful than a quick one shot
answer. That might leave the helper feeling good about their deed,
but certainly the helpee is nowhere as educated than if directed to
the wealth of info available to them.

In additon to Lum's book and Keller's site: http://www.geocities.com/lumeisenman...ackkeller.net/

there's 2 amazing FAQ's one for wine making:http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/alcohol/winemaking-faq

and one for grape growing:http://vitfaq.vinic.com/gohome.html

And last but not leat the Advanced Seach feature for Usenet:http://groups.google.com/advanced_se...e=UTF-8&hl=en&

Here is the accumulated knowledge of rcw, with detail knowledge and
EXPERIENCE in the specific and esoteric as well as detailed answers
for entry level and novice wine maker.

Frankly I think providing these resources to a novice is much more
valuable than the usual 'buy a kit and follow directions' advice.
Who's really dismissing the noobie here?

Steve
Oregon

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:17:26 -0500, "Paul E. Lehmann"

wrote:
frederick ploegman wrote:

It's the newbies that keep this group going.
All too often lately,
they are being told to "go get googled". Some
interpret this as the equivalent of "go get
F***** ", and they take their questions
to friendlier places. I, for one, would like to
see the use of
google as an answer be outlawed in this group !!
(personal opinion of one grouchy old fart)

I AGREE 100%

One of the nice things about this news group is
that there are those of us out here will answer
questions - even though it has been asked many
times before. I hope we NEVER become like some
of the other newsgroups with answers like "Read
the FAQs" or "Google it". Sometimes the answer
to an old question can be such that it leads to
new understandings or brings up issues that a
plain "Search Google" does not reveal. For those
who find it irritating to see repeated questions
the answer is simple - just don't read them or
reply.

One of the links in this thread is to a site built by Ed Goist for
just this purpose. He always answered questions in depth and that FAQ
is basically an extension of several of those posts to RCW.

This group seems to be unique, maybe it has something to do with
winemakers in general. I really can't remember the last time I saw
flaming here, it's very civil. For the most part if something can be
taken a few ways people here tend to give one another the benefit of
the doubt.

I usually try to answer what I can here because others did the same
for me.

And no I don't care how many times someone asks how to get those pesky
labels off, I'll still suggest acetone every time. It's cheap and so
am I.... )

Joe